Electronic media and Hindu sentiments – A sequel
by Thamizhchelvan on 20 Nov 2009 12 Comments

 Readers may recall the three-part article titled “Electronic media and Hindu sentiments” that appeared here last month. The backdrop to the article was an episode telecast by the Tamil Channel “Vijay TV”, which belongs to Rupert Murdoch’s Star Group. As the concerned episode terribly hurt the cultural and religious sentiments of Hindus, a campaign was started by a few individual activists against the channel and the producer and sponsor of the concerned program. The campaign has been successful so far and is likely to reach its logical conclusion in the days to come.

 

Meeting at the production house

 

On 3 November 2009, research scholar Gauthaman, professional photographer Srinivasan, advocate Subramaniam Balaji and the columnist Haran had a meeting with Antony, CEO of Mercury Creations, which produced the concerned program “Neeyaa Naanaa” (You or Me / Tum aur Mein) for ‘Vijay TV.’ During the conversation, Antony gave the important information that the topics for the program are “chosen” by an “expert panel” constituted by the TV Channel and that the producers (like him) could only give them some suggestions.  

 

The point to note here is that the TV Channel’s so-called expert panel regularly “chooses” topics which are relevant to Hindu cultural and religious traditions and subjects them to debate. The anchor conducts the program in such a way that the subject of debate is derided, demeaned and defamed and projected in such a manner that viewers get confused with a feeling that the concerned tradition is unwanted and unnecessary.

 

Mercury Creations produces two programs (Neeyaa Naanaa and “Nadanthathu Enna” – “What happened”) for Vijay TV and both programs deal with “Hindu” related subjects quite often. Since the subjects (topics) are chosen by the so-called expert panel, the real and ulterior motive of a Christian Media house like Star-Vijay can be understood. It can also be inferred that other channels must be following the same methodology to select topics for similar programs, as most media houses operate with the common objective of “de-Hinduising” society.

 

Antony refused to divulge the names of the expert panel. But the four activists found a blackboard (inside the mini meeting hall) on which the titles of subjects for shooting in future were written. Some topics mentioned were:

 

-          Is it necessary to name newborns with the names of their grandparents?

-          Who are beautiful, North Indian women or South Indian women?

-          Inter-Religious marriages – Husbands vs. Wives

-          Also, the topic debated on 18 October was, “who creates problems for a married woman, sister-in-law or brother-in-law?”

 

If we go deep into these subjects, see the programs and analyse them, we can clearly identify the motive behind the choice of title and program. One can recognize a “larger conspiracy” to demolish the institution of marriage and the family values entwined with Hindu religion and culture. The alien powers which control and fund our media houses are behind this huge conspiracy of de-Hinduising the nation and they are aided and abetted by ‘secular’ governments and political parties. It is sad and unfortunate that the Hindu majority falls prey to such programs, risking their religious and cultural identities.

 

During his meeting with the four activists, Antony tried to convince them about commercial strategies, TRP ratings, etc. But they stuck to their guns, demanding a public apology from both the production house and the TV Channel, apart from a commitment that such programs demeaning and hurting the Hindu community would not be produced and telecast in future. Finally Antony agreed to render a public apology during the telecast of the program on Sunday, 22 November, as programs till 15 November had been already shot. 

 

Campaign through “Tamil Hindu” website

 

Meanwhile, my article in Tamil (more or less a translation of the English version carried here) was published in www.tamilhindu.com on 6 November, wherein readers were requested to send e-mails to Mr. Ponnudurai, Managing Director of M/S Lion Dates Impex Pvt Ltd., 4A/3 Kaveri Road, Trichy – 620002, the sponsor of that program, at md@liondates.com, expressing their anger and hurt and their decision to boycott his products in future. Readers were also given telephone numbers (0431-2730047 / 2730191) requesting them to call the company and register their protests. The article (http://www.tamilhindu.com/2009/11/tele-medias-degrading-hindu-religious-feelings/) drew the attention of thousands of Tamil Hindus across the world within two days and hundreds of readers flooded the mailbox of the sponsor.

 

Concerted move by “Hindu Voice” magazine 

 

Sri GP Srinivasan spoke to Ponnudurai, proprietor of the sponsoring company, for an interview on behalf of the Mumbai-based monthly magazine “Hindu Voice.” Sri Deivamuthu, Editor & Publisher of Hindu Voice, also shot off a letter to Ponnudurai urging him to withdraw sponsorship of such anti-Hindu programs and conveyed his intention to run a campaign against his company through Hindu Voice and other media if he did not withdraw sponsorship.

 

Realising the gravity of the situation, Ponnudurai sent a reply to Deivamuthu and also shot off individual letters (though stereotyped) to all those, including the readers of “Tamil Hindu”, who sent protest letters to him. In his letter, Ponnudurai said that he understood the hurt feelings of Hindus and conveyed that he had instructed his advertising agency to be careful in future, monitoring each and every program sponsored by his company for each and every channel. He also said that he had expressed his views to the authorities of the TV Channel and that they have given a commitment to him that they would not telecast such programs in future.

 

Conclusion

 

If the concerted efforts of a few individuals could elicit such a response, one can imagine the effect of a united campaign by Hindu organizations. Though Ponnudurai’s letter did not have a feeling of regret or a note of apology, the concern and respect he showed to the feelings of those who had written to him was quite visible in his communication.

 

So in the event of the production house not apologizing on Sunday 22 November, as per its commitment, the concerned activists have decided to proceed further legally and take the issue to its logical conclusion. One hopes Hindu organizations come together and rally behind the activists, as there are many other channels that need to be taken to task as they compete with each other in denigrating Hindu religion and hurting the Hindu sentiments. This is only a beginning and this movement against the hostile media has to be sustained.

 

The writer is a freelancer 

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nice article sandhyaji, by preserving one's identity and diversity caste could act as an impregnable barrier against monstrous forces of globalization, religious monotheism and cultural homogenization. However the negative aspects like discrimination against other castes should also be properly addressed by hindu society itself. I would infact say hindutva movement could have gained much more importance and resonance had it looked caste in a difference perspective instead of acting silent about it or superficially denying it's central posittion in the affairs of hindu society
praveen
December 26, 2010
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To the last commentator,you know what ,you are missing the point here,the caste system in itself (in its present form) is nothing but a discrimination against human beings.The Vedas recognize different people have different skills and qualifications, but it is not by birth, it is by guna [qualification] and karma [work]. So if someone born of a sudra [worker] father becomes qualified [guna] and works as [karma] a brahmana he should be accepted as a brahmana… In the same way if the son of a brahmana doesn’t have the qualifications of a brahmana or work as a brahmana then he is not a brahmana. There are so many examples of this in the Vedic scriptures. The current system is something like accepting the sons of supreme court judges as supreme court judges. It does not make any sense. They have to be qualified, they have to attend the university and pass the course, then they have to work under a qualified judge and get the practical experience, then they may be able to become supreme court judges.The Brahmins decided that they wanted all power to emanate from them and the control they wanted to have on the Hindu society to curtail down their own uncertainities of life. This resulted in a mutation of the law ,now the basis of caste got changed from one’s karma to one’s birth. So the present system just lets the higher caste people take advantage of the lower caste people and to let them discriminate against others with impunity.
observer
December 26, 2010
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Excellent article. HAF efforts are perhaps like that of Raja Ram Mohan Roy's or Brahmo Samaj and such others- attempts to bring about 'reform' based on misunderstanding, caused by west defined falsities. dhanyavaad.
Incognito
December 26, 2010
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I fail to understand why HAF stays adamant on not withdrawing a flawed report which is likely to be misused by anti-Hindu hate groups and is injurious to the advocacy cause of HAF & only promotes Dominus Jesus initiatives. The apologetic tone running through the report is entirely unwarranted since HAF don't (a) have demonstrated consent of enough Hindus to apologize on their behalf & (b) it’s empty theatrics since HAF has not explained how the apology will be transmitted to the intended recipients. Clearly the de-facto audience is the 'other side' who is supposed to get some message… HAF may consider removing the apologies. No one need apologize - jaati is Hindu samajam's social capital, an institution par excellence as a social security system. No power on earth can loot or ransack this capital as the medieval marauders and colonial regimes learnt to their utter dismay and failed in their efforts at proselytizing. ## Pl withdraw the report or designate yourself as a NAVYASHASTRA cult advocacy group without seeking to be advocates for broad-spectrum Hindu causes of Hindu Americans.
Insider
December 26, 2010
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before industrial revolution heirarchy by birth is not limited to hindu civilization alone, it was common across the globe the reason for that was most people used to get their trade skills from their parents and that was the most practical thing to do, in hindu civilization qualification for priesthood doesn't come with a university degree, the training for priesthood starts from birth, they have to follow certain lifestyle to qualify and who can better live that lifestyle than an offspring of priest.
praveen
December 26, 2010
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HAF's reporty would have dismissed as nothing more than western christian liberal political rant against Hindu society were it not for Swami Dayananda Saraswati issuing a statement condemning what HAF calls 'caste-based discrimination" and "birth-based hierarchy" in the name of the Hindu Dharma Acharya Sabha. It is Swamiji's statement which has legitimised this group. The damage has been done and the only way to undo this damage is for HDAS to withdraw this statement. Swamiji must be cautious about what he is signing when he signs as Convener HDAS. It wouldnt matter at all if he signed anything in his personal capacity.
Radha Rajan
December 26, 2010
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One must remember that there is no sanction in the Hindu Scriptures of "Birth based caste assignment of one's profession". "Varna Vyavastha" (Varna Ashram) based on one's chosen profession was accepted and there are only four such Pillars of the society to protect the Nation and the society. Foreigners who invaded the Nation for nearly 1000 years assigned such notions that it is based on birth of an Individuals.

No one in Media talks about it but "they" (adversaries of Hindu Ethos) speak about Casteism, untouchability, but can any one show evidence that caste is based on the birth in Indian scriptures? I am very much interested in learning about it.
Mahesh
December 26, 2010
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Caste is a contentious subject in the context of Hindu Dharma. Even using the word “Caste” legitimizes vested interests who invented this word and associated it with Hindu Dharma, and therefore traps the authors. HAF had no right to [1] make an apology on behalf of Hindus and [2] reach out to organizations with an implicit or explicit agenda to break Hindu Dharma. The report does not reach out to Dalits. It legitimizes organizations and individuals such as EVR Naicker and DFN who have ulterior motives of chritistianizing or dravidianizing or dividing India. HAF should have stuck to US textbook distortions – it ran away from its real battle and got into war with Hindu society in India!
Aman
December 26, 2010
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HAF should withdraw report or it will send a message that HAF is playing the role of interlocutor in nefarious designs of the US Government-Vatican axis’ onslaughts on Hindu society. Let not HAF report become endorsement of Mumbai Catholic Church's 'New Community Bible' revealed by God. ## The visit of Cardinal Tauran for interfaith dialogue in 2009 to India (read harping on human rights violations in India to promote conversions) is mentioned in Wikicable leaks. This visit and proposed visit of USCIRF to India (called off) show how US Govt. and Vatican are an axis attacking India. The terminology used in HAF report is no different from the terminology used in these initiatives of USG-Vatican axis.
Madhukar
December 26, 2010
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If modern trasporation sources are absent economy becomes localized to the level of economically selfsufficient communities or villages and interdependency within communities increases, in this scenario following family profession would be the most practical and natural preference, the centralized economic structures of corporate capitalism and communism can't exist without nature exploiting technologies supporting them
praveen
December 26, 2010
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On the question of 'adhikara', let me add that while Swami Dayanandaji's statement to the HAF, even if now some of his bhaktas say it is not endorsement or support, only a statement, I wish to point out, that even issuing such a statement was inadvisable. If a report is hostile to dharma, the only proper thing for Swamiji as Converner HDAS would have been to maintain silence because HAF is of no consequence and anyone can say anything, or Pujya Swamiji should have advised HAF if these people are known to Swamiji personally, to withdraw the report in its entirety. Advising them to make this change or that is not the job of the HDAs which has nothing to do with this report. Secondly, even the HDAs has no authority to ask for giving up kula, varna or jaati which is what HAF is asking Hindus here to do. HAF is also demanding that we erase and/or deletimise certain portions of our scriptures, our teachings and even entire smritis if it does not conform to HAf's idea of Hindusim. Such a report should not have been acknowledged by Pujya Swamiji. If HDAS as the august assembly of acharyas and dharmagurus cannot make pronouncements of the kind that HAF is making with such arrogance and pathetic ignorance, how can Pujya Swamiji issue this statement as Convener HDAS?
Radha Rajan
December 26, 2010
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Very fine article. The irony is that it is written by a lady journalist in New Delhi rather than one of our esteemed swamijis. Our esteemed swamijis are failing us on every front. They are more famous for what their non-leadership than for their leadership. They appear to be completely intimidated by the present day Nehruvian and Dravidian governance we suffer from. And they are intimidated by their wealthy foreign disciples who manage their foreign investments and properties and will cut off their funds and honours if they give out 'orthdox' Hindu teaching rather than the popular 'reformed' teachings of some revered and well-known swamijis who went abroad decades ago..
SDS
December 26, 2010
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Brilliant article. Regards
Mohan Pande
December 26, 2010
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It has now come out that HAF approached Acharya Sabha in March 2010, to get the signature and endorsement of HDAS and Swami Dayananda Saraswati and HDAS secretariat hid this from all the swamis of the HDAS! This is pure evil intent. It can also be termed conspiracy. It is a real scandal.
Chandra
December 26, 2010
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HAF might be more effective if there was a trifle less penchant for supercilious, ex-cathedra pronouncements & less reliance on secondary sources in English and diverse swamis (some arriviste) who represent no ancient Sanatana Dharma sampradaya or parampara. Yes tradition matters Swami and as Hindus we do not say ring out the old and ring in the new – the American penchant. So far as I see, there is no sign-off from any major traditional sampradaya on HAF magnum opus. @@ I took a little time to go through the report. It has close to a hundred pages of mostly irrelevant and often meaningless sastraic quotations in the report. It does not cut ice with people having some familiarity with the subject. There are pages and pages of utterly irrelevant material on dalit persecution that I vaguely recall seeing on the internet somewhere or in some dalit website(s) from where there has been wholesale cut and paste perhaps. This also is all padding for PR purposes and playing to the gallery. In a serious policy document (aspirations of grandeur that your report lays claim to) all this dalit persecution stuff could have gone into an appendix in small type.
S Nagesh
December 26, 2010
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Some of the arriviste second and third tier American Swamis / swamis - swaminis in America anxious and willing to establish their own paramparas (sampradayas even?) may find HAF leadership / initiative(s) to be of great moment. More power to you and them. Ironically, if HAF had said ye want to encourage this instead of saying with jejune arrogance that all of Hinduism should be reformed (in the individual and collective / omniscient? wisdom of HAF) I would have appreciated what is utter drivel as positioned.
I am sure local congressmen etc in the US and Congress? / Ivy League educational cabal will give HAF pats on the back / awards even. You will be getting rafts of invitations and grants. Ye have a weather eye open for that I am sure – all pious denials to the contrary.
Nagendra
December 26, 2010
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Re Sandhyaji's 'Transnational Hindus' :Beautifully written, but does not deal with the internal issue of why and how the hierarchical set of values condemned a certain portion of Hindu society to perpetual slavery in the service of the rest of Hindu society. Secondly, it does not deal with the attack from nonHindu sources, other than reiterating the classic Hindu position. The HAF document is a serious one and must be addressed and critiqued as such.
Vijay
December 26, 2010
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@Vijay, if you mean the Shudras, you must also know that they were - after the Vaishya-traders - the richest members of society. Just look at the epigraphical records and you would see how rich they were. There is nothing that equates the so-called lower castes with poverty at all - that is a colonial correlation. And SERVICE does not mean SLAVERY at all. Recall that Megasthenes felt there was no slavery in India - when there is evidence in literature about it - only because he found such a robust, well off and vibrant society all around him, in the centuries BC. So you must not judge a society by its fallen days when you seem to have in mind.
Aryan
December 26, 2010
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Dear sandhya, Fascinating. I entirely endorse your views.
Regards
Gagandeep
December 26, 2010
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This short video explains why current economic and social structures will lead to human extinction, when compared to these modern economic and social structures varna system based on svadharma is a naturally stable brilliant economic and social structure
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqrZeC2ee0k&feature=related
praveen
December 27, 2010
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Excellent article Sandhya ji.. On your points about kula devata, sthana devata, and grama devata, i would like to share the history of our community on which we are researching on; this would serve you as a practical case study, to further understand Hinduism. First we have to understand that the current model of individual land ownership does NOT exist before Britishers - there is no patta system; NO concept of selling lands, NOR market value for land. How would have the people lived, in such case? ## For that i would start with my own gothra.. I belong to kongu vellala gounder. There are so many gothrams in our community, and each gothram had a kula deivam. When I explored the history our gothram, we found that our kula deivam is actually a Kaani deivam and that there were borders marked for our kaani with karuppanar and muneeswaran as deities guarding our kaani.. still now, these gods are there… ### What is meant by Kaani? Kaani is a large area of land, cleared for settlement, as per the sastras.. People cannot go and live simply in a forest, nor at any random place. They need a society, and for that society a geography is needed – called Kaani. In today's perspective, it can be called a whole village. Till today, our kaani is marked as separate village, with same border where muneeswaran and karuppanar are standing.. Its a thousand year culture of our area..
Senthil
December 27, 2010
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Similarly, there are different types of settlement according to the region, people, and the economy. Kaani is predominantly agriculture based, with supporting communities, whereas Naadu is an area ruled by king. It is a large area, comprising of many kaanies, and consisting of people from variety of professions. Similarly, we would have heard about pattanam - Kaveri Poompattinam or Poompuhar is a famous example. If you analyse, all pattanams are located on the sea shore - pattanams are areas for international trade. ## So as many other type of settlements. for eg, "Thurai" is an area where people predominantly use boats for travel; such settlement exist around large lakes, rivers etc. These names indicate how our people shaped and planned their region according to geo-properties; every village, every naadu is planned according to vasthu..
Senthil
December 27, 2010
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Now let me introduce the pre-British administrative structure of kongu region. The ancient kongu region consisted of 24 naadus; these 24 naadus will contain the kaanis. For each kaani, there will be a ruling family called kaaniyalan (ruler of kaani); for each naadu, there will be a pattakarar. Vanavarayar is a famous pattakarar. Theeran Chinnamalai is a known pattakarar who ruled over a naadu. ## All these 24 naadus constitute the kongu dhesam. You would have heard about 56 desams in ancient india, and konga desam is one such.
Senthil
December 27, 2010
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One weakness with Indians/Hindus is that they never lose an opportunity to insult and upset their own kind. Then they wonder, why in their hour of need , no one comes to their help! Islamic invasions succeeded, as the so called Hindus were over busy insulting their kind. Whether it was the rajput princes at the battle of Khandawa, or Prithviraj and jaichand, or the Mharattas before the battles with Abdalli.Will they ever learn ?
Sabretooth
December 27, 2010
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Namaste Sandhya Bahen, The HAF executives and members at large are SECOND generation Hindus not 1st generation.
Please revise your report by addressing the1st Generation Hindus. I know majority of them in the executive membership of HAF, Thank you.
Girish Gandhi
December 27, 2010
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To continue with my own gothra history. Our history is traced back to "Thalayanallur" near kangeyam in Tamilnadu; this is called "aadhi kaani", means the root kaani. The kaani devata is Pon kaaliyamman (pon kali devi). When the population of our gothram increased, people migrated to some other place, and created new kaanis. Like wise, we have atleast 4 or 5 kaanis for our gothra people alone, and each kaani had their own kaani devata, and even today, we identify our gothra people by their kaani deivam, and do not intermarry. ## When we create kaani, we cannot live in it for ourselves. We invite different sections of people, like vannan (washerman), barber, thoati (parayar), chettiyar, kaavakaran etc and settle in the newly created kaani. From the name itself we could understand that these people take up different roles in the new kaani; this is the reason, why all villages in Tamilnadu have all jaathis in them - vellalars, parayars, barber, washermen etc. ## The most astonishing thing is that a kaani deivam or kula deivam is an exclusive property of the ruler of that kaani. All our gothra people migrated from our kaani due to a curse of a Brahmin some 600 years before, but still the local people invite us to initiate the temple festivals there. We had the first right to almost all temples there today, even though none of us could settle due to the curse... The colonial govt might have destroyed ruling castes but they could not detach the bonding b/w the god and the king's family. The temple belongs to its creator and the first pooja is done to his family, and violating it invites deiva kutram... On our ancient days, the end point of a battle is NOT capture of fort but capture of the kula temple..
Senthil
December 27, 2010
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The true family system that still existing in India is because of Parambara & parambariam is being maintained. Distortions of such identification, definitely lead us to total materialism and Hindus also suffer like westerners without any spiritualism. As per Swamiji surrender can be exploited.
vedamgopal
December 27, 2010
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[1] Hinduism is NOT a corporate institution like catholic church, NOR its just a prayer group NOR its just a god worshipping religion. Rather its a wholistic society encompassing all aspects of human life. [2] Temple in Hinduism is NOT for public consumption but a private space for a particular community or set of communities. [3] The Hindu way of life is strongly interconnected with Hindu way of polity. [4] There was separate ruling class, which created new settlements and settle people. This continuously created new opportunities for survival and prosperity of people. If one does not like a particular village, he can freely move on another of his choice. [5] There was no concept of dividing land. [6] There is no concept of individual ownership of land (landlordism). Our society is structured that no individual community can live on its own. [7] Temple is NOT church; temple is NOT public property to be looted by any one; rather our Hindu temples belong to its owners. We own our kula temple and we decide whom to allow and whom NOT to allow. [8] A temple is a representation of the local kaani or naadu or kingdom. Only people of that kaani can worship there, and different communities in that locality have different rights or roles over that temple. [9] Every god had its own purpose and role; for eg, karuppanar is a protector god, and is always outside the temple; maariamman is always a village temple. Even in pre-Christian Europe, different gods existed for different purpose; Alexander offered sacrifice to his main god after winning in war. ######## So when we discuss about jaathis, gothras, we have to look in to what kind of roles they took up, and how these functioned in the society and politics.
Raja
December 27, 2010
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Excellent article. It has been my suspicion that HAF have been prodded into doing this. Hinduism is intrinsically linked to nationalism in India therefore the criticism of it can be considered to be intellectual warfare with a political objective. There is a strong element of snobbishness as well. However I do agree with praveen. More should be done to address the negative aspects of caste. This will do Hindutva a great deal of good.
satya
December 27, 2010
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a good sequel to that of Smt.RR. At the first instance, why should hindus even try to answer rubbish queries of nonsense white church and non sense baqistanis.
krishnakumar
December 27, 2010
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I have read the HAF report "Hinduism: Not Cast in Caste” very carefully. The content regarding caste in this report is no different than in any social studies text book used in grade schools. Does HAF plan to revise the report? And (i) was the theme of this report presented / discussed in any forum? (ii) Was HAF report reviewed by any Hindu academic scholar for its impact on textbooks and standards of learning?
Rakesh Bahadur
December 27, 2010
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(1) It is my understanding that HAF is an advocacy organization for Hindus in America. If that is correct then what was the necessity to write report on Caste discrimination in INDIA and make it part of Human rights issue? Govt. of India, spiritual leaders and other social entities are taking necessary actions thru legal processes and social programs to address the issue in India. (2) Why HAF report is silent on discrimination by Govt. of India taking control over Hindu temples only when other religions are free to practice and maintain their worship places. Freedom of religion is a fundamental right which encompasses maintaining worship workplaces too. (3) What is the intent of HAF for bringing out this issue in American media (Washington Post, Huffington Post, and Hinduism Today) before giving opportunity for Hindu community in USA to review its report? (4) Why HAF wants to use narratives of “Colonial” vocabulary of “Caste” to define Hinduism? (5) Why HAF wants to go to US congress with this report? What they want US congress to do? (6) Is HAF planning to go to UN with this report? What HAF expects from UN? (7) All Smruties including Manu Smruti provide a snap shot of governing principles at that point in time for society to function in harmony. Smruties chang with time and cannot be used as calibrated yardstick to define Hinduism at present time. (8) If ST/SC are discriminated because of “Caste”, can HAF explain why converted people in India are encouraged by Christians, Muslims to keep their Caste?
Ram Sidhaye
December 27, 2010
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Excellent article. But Sandhyaji has avoided the inconvenient reality of the extreme rigidity of caste and how did this rigidity and the caste heirarchy creep into a society where all varnas/castes were supposed to be equal.
Krish
December 27, 2010
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@ Krish - WHERE is the extreme rigidity of Caste - in Mayawati becoming chief minister of UP for 3 terms and aspiring to be Prime Minister? In non-Yadav backward caste Nitish Kumar becoming chief minister of Bihar for a second term? Let us not talk without thinking and seeing the reality. India has always been a mobile society. What are the social origins of Chandragupta Maurya?
Naina
December 27, 2010
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The final paragraph of your brilliant analysis says it all. And I agree.Let me have the pleasure of repeating it here : " Finally, Hindus believe that grief is caused by the endless cycle of birth and death to which the soul is condemned on account of its ignorance of the purpose of life. The HAF report is rooted in abysmal ignorance. Worse, it believes that the barely-tolerated Hindu citizens of America will receive salvation through the Grace of the ‘true faith’ (which itself abounds in myriad ‘false sects’)! But vicarious redemption is denied to Hindus; HAF should have known that.". Thank You.
Kuna Kayasth
December 27, 2010
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Any discussion on caste really pertains to India since it is of marginal significance for Hindus in Europe and North America. One must therefore explain why Hindus abroad should recommend measures to be adopted by Indians in India. Discussions on Caste are ideological weapons in the wider struggle for political supremacy and domination between white Christian nations, led by imperial USA. ## HAF’s eagerly announced opposition to Caste-based discrimination is not defined except to occasionally conflate it with untouchability. But all discrimination between social groups, some unethical and some illegal, is not identical. India has outlawed virtually all acts of discrimination susceptible to legal remedy. By opposing Caste discrimination HAF effectively opposing the positive discrimination in favour of supposedly backward groups in Indian society. The assumption that Brahmins were always privileged oppressors is an evangelist Christian libel one should rebut firmly.
Arun
December 27, 2010
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I am a novice,first time commentator in one of my favourite website.Hats off to Sandhyaji and previously Smt.RadhaRajanji for their brilliant articles on this subject.The Punya Bhoomi explanation was quiet a revelation to me.It takes guts and clear vision to see through the all pervading web of deceit to present a clear ,convincing picture to lay men like myself.Brilliant.Please keep up the good work. Varna is ordained by God and is based on Guna and Karma whereas Caste or Jaati is by virtue of region and family into which one is born ( as I understand it) . Both are essential pillars of our sanathana Dharma, one of its strengths, due to which it has survived the barbarian Abrahamic religious conquests from outside. Had this system been felt discriminatory and evil by the people practicing it ,it would not have survived for centuries and people would have rejected it long back. Hats off to Senthil ( I visit your web site too) and Raja for their Caste research based enlightening comments.
Naganathan.B.Iyer
December 28, 2010
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People are different. Qualities are genetically imbibed. It is not randomly picked from huge selection in nature. Individuals' nature are diverse. If it is not diverse and different, a working social system, organization cannot exist. Different gunas and dignity of labor are intertwined. People who talk of high and low are the selfish soft smooth talking hypocrites and society poisoning / polluting criminals who rob individuals pride in work. One has to debate the so called modern ways of selecting and placing individuals in their jobs - for example in a hospital from Chief Surgeon to ward boy and security. Mutual respect and fairness with sincerity is paramount.
govinda
December 28, 2010
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All the issues HAF has brought out have been hashed and rehashed by many progressive Hindus, social organizations, leaders, as early as the fifties and much earlier (see A.B. Shah on google). Manu Smriti is not a current document that any Hindu is guided by and never has been a force as alleged by William Jones and company. The violence in some backward areas of India is more from lack of education than from knowledge of Manusmriti. HAF is behind its time in that for years now the Harijans or Dalits are given training in priesthood along with the Brahmins even at Venkateshwara temple in Tirupati as I understand.

It is more of an entertainment for our Western adversaries to see Hindus divided over caste, etc. HAF and Navyashastra people are following the line of missionary-evangelist agenda and want to get kudos in the US. It is a shame that many of them have not been to India and studied Hindu history and culture and do not have a realistic quantitative or qualitative perspective on issues of so called discrimination.

How would Christian citizens respond if some upstarts among them came with a document to do away with all different denominations of Christianity, all ethnicity oriented Churches like the Greek Orthodox church etc. and want to legislate integration? As late as 2000, Alabama had laws that prevented whites from marrying non-whites and the referendum there still had 40% that wanted to keep the laws and not repeal them! Even now the old laws on the books (statutes) in Oklahoma that are never enforced but unchanged from early nineteen hundreds prohibit sex between married individuals anywhere outside their bedrooms and in any other position than missionary position - a matter of curiosity rather than stimulus for foolish social-legal reform. Antiquated "codes" that are not enforced are not subject of dispute. Manusmruti falls under the same category as it has no force of law or code in current times.
Shree
December 28, 2010
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This whole drama is a reflection of self serving psychosis of this small group of people that have infiltrated HAF and want to get into the good books of the American Masters - a reflection of "dasyu vritti". ## Someone has created the Bhasmasura of HAF and it is going to burn or try to burn India and Hindu society in India using the pretext of social evil of discrimination which is currently further entrenched by the official policies of the UPA government. There was an attempt to collect statistical data and demographics of India in a caste-based census. ## India is not a "Banana Republic" and no outside agency can dictate how law and order is to be implemented in India.
Shree
December 28, 2010
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Thanks for writing on Transnational Hindus which hopefully will not give more ammunition for adversaries of Hindus to find another cleavage among Hindus, namely Bharatiya Hindus and Transnational Hindus.
Anonymous
December 28, 2010
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To understand caste and its relevance in the modern context we should know its past in an objective manner. The Hindu village was not exploitative. Even Leftist intellectuals like D.D. Kosambi have conceded this. In the Hindu village everyone contributed labor to meet the common needs through the year and shared the harvest. Everyone, that is, except the Brahmin who was the ward of the rulers. He offered some services to the rulers; was responsible for adjudication/arbitration and to maintain peace in the village. Justice was cheaper and quicker in the village. In the Hindu village everyone had a stake and derived benefits in an equitable fashion. The Brahmin was not the leader in the village. His duty was to conserve the inheritance; act as a guide to society without formal position in the administrative hierarchy.

### The criticism that the system denied education to non-Brahmins is tendentious & totally incorrect. India was more literate before the British period. Education was never denied to anyone. A mason taught me to keep right angles between walls. He was using the Pythagoras theorem. It is not possible to make a cartwheel without proper education and training. Temple architecture is another awesome field. The artisans were the mainstay of society & also constituted the majority. They could not have been ignorant of rudimentary knowledge; they enjoyed half the wealth of society.

## The polity of the Hindu village was equitable and consensual. The present agitation of Gujjars of Rajasthan for reservation in education and Government jobs shows the unity in the community. This unity has saved Hinduism from Islam. A Hindu was never alone, but part of a united community based on caste identity. Caste provided an intermediate level of meaningful identity. Without it, Hinduism would have fallen to Islam or Christianity.
Balasubramanian
December 29, 2010
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HAF report should be taken off line as it has no chapters on Capeem lawsuit and on Caste-based Conversions. Now, another chapter has to be added since Wikileak cables have revealed an operative US govt-Vatican axis. We all know of the Dominus Jesus initiative of Ratzinger in the Vatican. Without these, the report is not an advocacy document and has the inherent danger of its being misued by anti-Hindu hate groups. Evidence is the demand of Navyashastra group to withdraw Ramayana and Mahabharata as Hindu sacred books.
SK
December 30, 2010
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Is Navyashastra colluding with HAF without any mandate from Hindu Americans at large? Has Navyashastra been widely known to Hindu Americans? Or do they have an agenda but no popular vote? Why don't they seek support from the Hindu Americans before claiming to represent them in collusion with HAF? Does HAF claim to represent Hindu Americans?
Hans
December 30, 2010
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HAF must immediately suspend activities related to Human Rights Coordination related to 'caste' and Ramesh Rao must resign from his position as Human Rights Coordinator, HAF. The very first line of the Exec. Summary of the (unrevised) report read: “Caste-based discrimination is a serious human rights issue in the Indian sub-continent.” This is a defamatory statement. Caste is enshrined in Indian Constitution which has built in checks to ensure enforcement of fundamental rights. The views on Ramayana are with the aim of furthering his career in either academia or government. He has made a U-turn from his positions a few years ago where he once defended the jati/varna system and said the British and not Brahmins were responsible for oppression of Harijans. He also blamed Western academia: “…it is also amazing that Prashad, a professor of International Studies at Trinity College, ignores all the anthropological data showing that caste is not equal to race.” Today he says it is race!!! Calling Ramayana a racist narrative is the limit. The audience of the report is clearly USCIRF, US Congress and UNHCR.
SK
January 01, 2011
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You have done an excellent job of exposing the lies of HAF.
Arun
January 01, 2011
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HAF is clearly out of touch. On Dec. 31, 20101, a group of 40 Dalit entrepreneurs was invited to Delhi for a pre-budget meeting with Planning Commission deputy chairman MS Ahluwalia – as part of the Union Budget consultation process. Some of them have built impressive empires - Kalpana Saroj heads Kamani Tubes with an estimated turnover of Rs 500 crore; Ratibhai Makwana’s Rs 300-crore Gujarat Pickers is one of the largest polymer distributors. Led by Milind Kamble, they want to get out of the Reservation Trap.
Sabre
January 01, 2011
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Dear Sandhya, Good work! Well done! I hope 2011 continually brings as much joy for you as your article brought us.Regards
Deshika
January 01, 2011
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"... HAF report is an attempt by American Hindus to redefine themselves, rather than reform Indian Hindus, because they have literally lost caste by losing their links with the bhumi, jati, gotra, kula, varna, and with it the chance to expiate their karmas. They need a monotheistic-like structure to which distant allegiance can be claimed and homage..."
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Why is Sandhya Jain's intolerance to diversity of views leading her to make outrageous statements like the one quoted above? Sad to note the degradation of her intellectual powers. When one says so-and-so has "lost caste", he/she reveals a very ugly streak of personality. One may agree with HAF's mission; or disagree. But statements like this only lead to the solidification of Hindutva stereotypes.
Jan 02.2011
joy
January 02, 2011
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Good news - once Acharya Sabha swamis became aware of the HAF report and its contents, questions were asked. Now Swami Dayananda - who approved it without discussion and knowledge among the Acharyas - was forced to seek withdrawal of the Report 'until there is consensus among Hindus'. Hindus will never agree that Caste = Race, so Ramesh Rao, Mihir Meghani et al can eat crow. Kudos to Radha Rajan and Sandhya Jain - they have once again shown the pompous and supercilious their place.
Bindu
January 03, 2011
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It is the joke of the century HAF who cannot stand up for the rights of Hindu minority in America is talking about rights of Hindus mistreated on basis of caste in India. Ask HAF where they were when Zionist controlled Police Union called Indians are cockroaches, animals, illiterates and illegal go home? These are the worst ever racial slurs in over 200 history of America for any minority. What they have done to get justice for the brutal murder of Dr Geetha Angara and Dr. Divyendu Sinha when the murderers are roaming on the streets of New Jersey? What was their role when Zionist controlled New Jersey & ICE spent over $100,000.00 to deport 1 Hindu Rajnikant Parikh in violation of every US law and Human rights just to save a white knucklehead who was accused by Parikh of racial discrimination and brutality? There are numerous cases I can quote when HAF was relaxing in the laps of Zionist rather than standing with Hindu victims. ### On top of that HAF is ignoring that New Jersey in USA is world’s most racist state with 566 Municipalities/Cities carved out with race as prime factor. New Jersey is most corrupt state in the world. 8,000 sq miles NJ with 8.5 mil residents has 587 local governments in 566 racially segregated towns with over 9,000 Elected Scoundrels & over 466,000 Employees with little or no work appointed for political reasons. New Jersey is legally Racist & Legally corrupt; HAF can you criticize or ask for reforms publicly on your Blog the way you are criticizing Hindu Caste system? ### HAF is wagging tails for Zionist Masters & living off their crumbs in America . HAF is misguiding Hindus of America that Zionism a violent religion and Hinduism has no difference. So they don’t mind to be called cockroaches, animals, illiterates and illegal by their Zionist Friends. They are so brain damaged they cannot see Zionist do not hate Muslims they only hate Palestinians so that they can get their land and hate Iran who can possibly beat them in 10-15 years. Ask lunatics in HAF how come Muslims Prince & Kings have invested in world’s largest Private Equity Fund Carlaya Group managed by Zionist? How come world’s largest Bond Fund PIMCO managed by a Zionist has a Muslim VP? Why a New Jersey Based Zionist owned 3D Security has been supplying state of the art most modern and sophisticated Security Equipment & Technology which US cities do not have; to Middle Ease? Currently 3 D has more than $13 billion contracts in Abu Dhabi & Dubai itself. Why Zionist has been selling most modern Military Technology to India’s hostile neighbor China ? Why Zionist who control America has been providing Free Arms to India’s another hostile neighbor Pakistan ? ### Every one around the world understand except the lunatics in HAF, BJP, Congress & Samajwadi Party that Zionist have brought one time superpower America Morally, Ethically, Financially and Militarily on its knees. It is the Zionist who have glamorized Gay, Lesbian, live in arrangements and unwed mothers. If you want to ruin a country - corrupt the moral and social fiber of the society. The same is being applied to India by Zionist controlled America in the name of Empowering Women and Liberty. On top of that all these lunatics can not see that North East in India is being Zionised with mass conversions and in next 10-15 years there will be a Israel in India .
Dave
January 05, 2011
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It is virtually impossible in a democratic country, to speak in favor of the positive aspects of caste. Caste is now classic cult symbol, demonized, without the merit of any logical arguments, (oh, yes, politicians do see the logic there, of votes) and any single Hindu who would dare speak of caste in its inherent good values, is criminalized. Most of the hypocracy comes from the fact that India does not understand the Hindu systems appropriately, but rather uses it for convenience and material gains. Most politicians and political parties, whose modus operandi of survival is caste, and every single strategy runs around Caste framework, however, would come
out with scathing tongue. It is time for individuals to see and to think about what is happening and what happened since independence, Hindu is systemically obliviated, starting with historical revisionism, negative associations, academic repression, economic sanctions, scandalous interpretations, media biasing, and goes on and on to the pathetic levels of social blackmailing ...
Saint
January 06, 2011
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