Why defend Devas and Devatas?
by Achintyachintaka on 27 Sep 2012 29 Comments

One billion Hindus worship a multitude of Devas, Devis (Devatas) in their temples and in the worship rooms or corners in their homes. Some who do not openly do so have no disrespect for those who do, or vice versa, because of the very tolerant nature of Hinduness. Growing up in such tolerant society makes a Hindu child intuitively understand that Hindus worship the internal representation when they close their eyes; they worship the conscious perception of Devas and Devatas and not the stones that they face, whether artistically sculpted or not, or various artistic depictions of the images of Devas and Devatas.

 

For monotheists and other non-comprehending onlookers with their concrete thinking and brainwashing by their own ‘faiths’ against ‘idol’ worship, such worship of Devas and Devis by Hindus is difficult to understand and arouses both conscious and unconscious hostility. The reason is that their God is ‘jealous’ or so they are indoctrinated to believe, and they cannot tolerate anyone who worships any other God but ‘HIM’.

 

In contrast, a Hindu child can intuitively understand a Christian worshiping his God or a Muslim worshipping Allah because they too are indeed worshipping the representations of their divinities as internalized during their upbringing in their respective religious cultures.


When the 80 per cent plus population of India is made up of such intuitively tolerant Hindus who have this generous understanding of worshipping different gods and goddesses, and have a conviction that such paths all lead to the same ‘god’ or Brahman, the Vedic cultural memories that Hindus carry in their Unconscious lead to instant empathy for the existential state of mind in other human beings engaged in the process of worship. This is summarized by Bhagvad Gita and later by Swami Vivekananda in his short speech at the Congress of World Religions in Chicago in 1893. The difference is that This One final ‘place’ where all worshipping minds flow to concentrate as per Hindu Vedic ethos is not acceptable to the Abrahamic religions.


Monotheistic idiots, the word ‘idiot’ is used deliberately to emphasize not the lack of mental ability or to describe a monotheist as an imbecile, but to point out that the intolerant excessive attachment to an ‘idea’ and unshakeable adherence to a culturally ingrained ‘idea’ makes him/her an ‘idiot’ in the sense of the true meaning of the word ‘idiot’. (The word idiot is thus derived from the word ‘idea’).


It is this idiocy that leads to the fanaticism of Abrahamic faiths and their historical aggressiveness and drive to proselytize the world populations. Conversion on larger and larger scale globally by what started off as small cults in the Middle East have today led to two major ‘religions’ of the world dominating the globe demographically and politically. ‘One Godism’ has been a political tool to dominate ‘non-believers’, enslave them, exploit them and use world resources for dominant groups belonging to these faiths. Colonization may have come to an end but neo-colonization continues.


Conversion by sword or at gun point with threats of or actual torture, as well as all forms of coercion, was the order of the day in the past and continues to be the modus operandi of these two dominating religions historically and even now in some regions of the world. Both expend astronomical amounts of wealth for converting world populations to their faith and to invest in ‘inculturation’. The sad fact is the conflict between the Cross and the Crescent was overt at one time and now it is covert yet active in many areas of the world. The expansionist nature of the two extant imperialistic dominating religions of today has attained morbid explosiveness and therefore both are becoming a blight on humanity no matter how compassionate and empathic they were originally expected to be by their innocent practitioners. 


The Hindus of India, worshippers of Devas and Devatas, are the true dharmis who weld together the myriad population of India and are the real buffer to reduce overt conflicts between people of different religious persuasions. Any reduction of this population of Hindus to less than 50 per cent will inevitably see an increasing rift among the One Goddists for political dominion; the annihilation of Hindus from their own land will follow. That will also be the end of ‘secular’ India (the India that does not want to cede ascendancy to its native Hindu ethos). Without the buffer of secular (read believing/practicing) Hindus, the Christists and Islamists will be prone instigate a civil war in India like they have done in some African countries.


Every Hindu then has a duty to defend all devas and devatas worshipped by Hindus and stop the onslaught on their society by the ‘One Goddists’. The very survival of India as a nation depends on the freedom to worship Devas and Devatas. Both the freedom to worship and the freedom to think are the very essence of Hinduness. There is no room for freedom to convert and propagate a monotheistic religion in Bharat as a constitutional guarantee, although some misinterpret the constitution of India and its ‘secularism’ mantra as a license for demographic attack on Hindus.


Devas and devatas reside all over BharatBha stands for brilliance and rata stands for engrossment. Devas are the brilliant ones literally when the mind is illuminated, and hence the Devas are intimately related to BharatBharat is the punya bhumi, meaning the sacred land, because of the presence of sacred Devas and Devatas all over the land of Bharat. That is what makes it sacred and it is, therefore, the punyabhumi where Hindus are indigenous.


If India is to see its progress (abhyudaya) in the comity of nations, the land of Devas and Devatas must be protected from being grabbed by the monotheistic ‘idiots’. Demographic attack by converting the local population of India to monotheistic faiths by opposing ‘polytheistic’ or ‘pantheistic’ worship must be faced bravely and stopped immediately with strategies to prevent their further growth and land-grabbing. Such dangerous process is metastasizing at exponential rates in many parts of India: Kerala, Andhra, Assam, West Bengal, Arunachal Pradesh, Nagaland, not to mention Kashmir. 


Whoever is committed to the punya bhumi and the Dharma will be remiss if he/she does not simultaneously defend the Devas and Devatas.
 
 
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It is not the "tolerance" of the Hindus but actually it is the confusion that since so many gods and godesses are already there to worship so it is a natural instinct of a Hindus to accept yet "another" god to worship.The problem with Hinduism is the same as with Christians and Jews,when Mosses came back from the mountain the Jews had already made a golden calf and were worshipping it (like our Hindu friends),our Christian brothers are worshipping Jesus as a god or son of the god or whatever combination they like.The prime reason is that they (Christian,Jews,Hindus,Buddhists) changed and manipulated the actual word of God and hence this confusion!
observer
September 27, 2012
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Observer, your Ibrahim is an Arab derivative of Abraham and then the scholars ( are they?) say that Ibrahim and Abraham are different. How can it be ? Is Musa not Moses then ? . I know that your folks did not want to copy verbatim . bit like different software doing the same thing ( word and latex doing the same documentation software ) so you say Ibrahim is different from Abraham. The main reason for this is to give an Arab identity to monotheism. Nothing else.
dilkhush singh
September 27, 2012
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A fine article from Achintyachintaka. However, it is not just the 'one goddists' that are the challenge. There is the dragon to the north of the punya bhumi.
Dr. Vijaya Rajiva
September 27, 2012
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D.S, Ibrahim and Abraham is the same person,i don't recall any muslim scholar denying that so is Musa or Moosa (how ever you spell that) and Moses the same person,in actuality Muslims believe on ALL the prophets that are mentioned in Bible,Torah and other "Abrahamic" books,in fact it is a basic requirement for one who wants to be a Muslim that first he/she recognise that Moses,Jesus,Ibrahim,Joseph etc., are all the messengers of God and the "original" Torah,Zaboor and Ingeel (Bible) are the words from God and then that the Last and final Prophet from God is Mohammad (sw),so there is no question of giving an "Arab identity" to monotheism,i hope this will make things clear for you.
observer
September 27, 2012
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Dr.Vijaya,why do i get a feel of nervousness from your comment,should you care about the dragon ?
observer
September 27, 2012
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@observer
Good question. The dragon should be feared per se, for 3 important reasons :
1. the danger to Tibet via the influence on the nepalese maoists.
2. its great power ambitions in South Asia in which India is an obstacle (its strategic assistance to Pakistan can also be included in this).
3. its ever expanding thirst for natural resources for its economy ; in Nepal hydro electric power among other things.

I am thinking of temporarily putting my studies in Veda Agama on hold and look at the dragon's agenda in Nepal.
Dr. Vijaya Rajiva
September 27, 2012
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There are 6 realms into which one can reincarnate. The six realms from highest to lowest are as follows:

1. Deva (True Gods)
2. an Asura (Demi or Jealous God)
3 a human being
4. an animal
5. a ghost
6. being in Naraka (hell)

According to the 10 commandment given by the god of the Jews, Christians, Muslims, that god states "Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God".

The god of the Jews, Christians, Muslims belong to the Asura/Demi god class which asks us to not worship the higher Hindu Gods. All these creatures called Jehova, Allah, Jesus, etc come from these Asura class. They are lower gods. They forbid the idols of their higher level gods.
Eklavya
September 27, 2012
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@Dr. Rajiva, why do you come here to make idiotic comments. The Dragon up north follows religions which were born in India. They face the threat of Christian conversion.
Chin
September 27, 2012
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Observer , I have evidence of a Prof in Islam telling a researcher that Ibrahim and Abraham are different. I will post the utube clip on this. I have heard many Islamic scholars say this. Only three monotheistic faiths and so many killings between these three for centuries. Now Sikhism also has a book and believes in formless. Sikhism did not go about doing what the three religions did to themselves for centuries. They took the title of Guru from the Indian origin and protected the temples for example Guru Gobind Singh. The question is if the prophets were same for all the three moootheists , then why fight and kill each other. Again look at Shia / Sunni fights ( the present in Syria is that only). So monotheism has not solved any problem.
dilkhush singh
September 27, 2012
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D.S,check it out on Wikipedia that Abraham is Ibrahim in Arabic,still let me see what you are referring to on U-Tube clip.You are absolutely correct about the fights among the people on religion,be among Abrahamic or otherwise ,Hindus too wiped out Buddhists from India and not only that the Hindus were fighting each others for ever as one Hindu ruler fought the other and this infighting made them weak and thus easy picking for the Muslim armies.ALL religions teach the humanity to respect other so one can't just blame the religion for that ,it is the followers who are to be blamed for any short coming.
observer
September 27, 2012
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Observer, Go and read dr ambedkar book thoughts on pakistan where he mention how muslims wiped out buddhism from india and persian chronicles clearly say how they killed head shaven brahmin.So there is no doubt that buddhism fall due to islamic invaders.
Manish
September 27, 2012
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Excellent article by Achintyachintaka. We Hindus are under religious, cultural, demographic, geographical, and not to mention secular siege today because we slow;y and steadily moved away from our roots, our core - which is Hinduism.
We must embrace our Devatas, nation, religion, culture, and history with pride and achieve HINDU UNITY and SOLIDARITY.
This is the only legitimate, permanent solution to our problem.
Jyoti Jape
September 27, 2012
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtEsQT5M2IQ

See from 5.30 mins to 5.49 mins . See and hear the Islamic Prof say what I have written esp 5.34. Hear carefully.
dilkhush singh
September 27, 2012
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@Chin

From your name I gather that you are of Chinese extraction.
Well, you see, we in India are Hindus and of other Dharmic religions such as Jainism and Buddhism. We have to protect those. Now, your Chinese leaders have destroyed the Dharmic legacy for the last several decades. They are no longer even communists in the way Karl Marx had envisaged communism : from each according to his capacity and to each according to his need.

This noble philosophy had been perverted both in Stalinist Russia and Maoist China. And now the Dragon is engaged in what is called state capitalism. It is hoping to be the dominant power if not in the world, at least in Asia.

It certainly want to downgrade India so that it can become the dominant power in South Asia. Hence, its interests in Nepal. It also uses the Nepalese Maoists to destroy Tibetan Buddhism.

Now, you should most certainly be concerned with that and as well the predicament of the Chinese people.

We Hindus in India will watch and take care of ourselves, and we hope that Tibet will be saved and so also your own people.
Dr. Vijaya Rajiva
September 27, 2012
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D.S,i saw the clip that you ask me to wacth,now i understand the confussion here,the Christians have messed up the Bible to such an extent that their own preists have sometime difficulties in understanding the concepts and the stories mentioned in it.Their understanding of the word of God is very skewed as they don't have the "original" Bible any more.I will put a link here and you go through it and only then you will understand what the people are going through when they realy want to get to the bottom of this whole issue:

http://youtu.be/IYMKQKSV0bY
observer
September 27, 2012
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In the above video this Christian youth preist tells his story of how confused he was as a Christian to the concepts and the presentation of the characters of the various Prophets in Bible,and only accidently he came across Qur'an and so on and on,it is a very interesting watch to say the least.Let me know if this helped you clear your confussion about the "difference" in Abraham or Ibrahim.
observer
September 27, 2012
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That is Prof Yousef an Islamic scholar ( he is a Muslim) saying to the researcher that the two Abrahams are different. Please see and hear the clip carefully.
dilkhush singh
September 28, 2012
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Islam and Christian are no religious ideologies. Both are political, expansionist ideologies aimed at conquering and ruling, not at any kind of spiritual upliftment of humankind. "The Untold Story of Islam" conclusively establishes this fact about Islam. There must be a similar "Untold Story of Christ" which is bound to come out in the open some day.
Krish
September 28, 2012
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One should also read "Why i am not a Hindu" by Kancha Illaiha!
observer
September 28, 2012
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@Krish

If you go to Bharata Bharati you will find plenty of material on the hoax that is Christianity. The editor has written a book which has gone into a second edition on the Myth of St. Thomas. This is about the story that Christians have put out about Thomas the apostle coming to India. Then, there are links to the work of Sita Ram Goyal etc.
Dr. Vijaya Rajiva
September 28, 2012
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I have been observing in each and every article that friends like observer intentionally deviate from the subject of the article and convert the discussions for and against proselitisation by Abrahamic Cults and for indulging in mispropoganda of Hinduism.

The same thing is happening here too. The message of the article is very simple and clear. The idea propogated by Abrahamic cults is belief based and does not stand testimony to rational thinking. The author rightly deliberated upon why he brands the Abrahamic ideas as idiocy.

That what is alleged by Jb.Observer that Hindu scriptures have been manipulated is a lie. This comes out of mispropoganda by proselitisers.
One who knows the basics of vedic learning could easily understand the system of the protection of every word and akshara so that shruti is not to be subjected to change by way of learing the shruti by Modam,pada, krama, jata, ghanam and then varnakramam. Now before ever propogating such big lies like manipulation, let Jb.Observer say whether he is aware of a single term used here for the system of letter by letter protection of vedas. Not just Aksharas, words and even the meter and the swaras of chanting vedas are tightly protected. Now What are vedic swaras and what are swaras used in Music. Still there are differences. You need a life time to learn all these things. So, dear friend, Jb.Observer, please desist from filling this august forum with lies which you hear from proselitisers.

Sorry to point out this Jb.Observer. When you do not even know as to what is sur and tal and how many swaras are there in music you comment about the talent of different artistes. The same you are doing it here again. Without even knowing the basics as to how vedas are taught and what is its essence and how every akshara and word of vedas are protected , you go on to repeat ad nauseam lies propogated by proselitisers that scriptures are manipulated in this forum.

It is one thing to discuss on something one does not know or to discuss about something one disagree with but the objective of this august forum is getting lost in vidandavada and kutharka vada devoid of any sense or truth.
krishnakumar
September 29, 2012
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Observver, why are you silent on Prof Yousefs remarks. This Why I am not a .... series , first originated in Bertrand Russells bk " Why I am not a Christian" All other are copy cats. Then there is Ibn Warraq " Why I am not a Muslim" You will find many " Why I am not a series ". There is no fun in this " Why I am not this or that? "
dilkhush singh
September 29, 2012
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According to some comparative religion scholars
Abraham and Sarah are derived from Brahma and Sarasvati. Parabrahma has also been suggested as the prototype of Abraham.
fowls
October 01, 2012
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Muslims would like to put themselves in the same category as Jews and Christians. But Judaism and Christianity have always put daylight between themselves and Islam.

The Christians have been droning the Muslims of Pakistan for years now. The Jews have defeated the Arabs militarily several times and put those bad Muslim people in their place.
fowls
October 01, 2012
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The next Christian plan for Pakistan is to separate Balochistan from it.
fowls
October 01, 2012
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observer mentions in one of his/her comment- "...Hindus too wiped out Buddhists from India"

@observer, care to read this:

http://satyameva-jayate.org/2009/12/09/hindu-kings-monasteries/

and

http://satyameva-jayate.org/2009/12/11/buddhism-decline-india/
arjun
October 01, 2012
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What would be the word for worship?
It is not Puja=Pu (Pavitrata)+Ja (jayate i.e born, grows) i.e from which pavitrta grows. And it is not Upaasana=Upa+aasana. It is not Praarthana=Pra+Arthana.
Ravindra Koul
R Koul
October 01, 2012
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kancha illaiah is crypto-christian....so there he need not be a hindu....
asha
October 01, 2012
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visit these sites to discover the influence of hinduism and buddhism on christianity

http://www.theskepticalreview.com/tsrmag/3hare94.html

http://jesusisbuddha.com/thundy.html

http://www.jesusisbuddha.com/
fowls
October 03, 2012
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