Inter faith Dialogue: Discourse of the Deaf and the Dumb
by Virendra Parekh on 27 Jan 2012 15 Comments

‘Vade vade jayate tattvabodhah’ (Every debate brings forth understanding of principles), says a Sanskrit subhashita. In their long history, Hindus as a people have been fond of discussing matters of religion, philosophy and spirituality, among themselves and with others. In spite of what Islam and its votaries had done to Hindus and their civilization, Brahmins participated in discussions organized by some Muslim rulers between scholars of different faiths. When a German missionary Bartholomäus Ziegenbalg (1682-1719) sent in 1712 a large number of letters to a selection of Hindus inviting answers to a number of questions, he received no fewer than 104 responses.


Christianity, on the other hand, has traditionally preferred monologue i.e. it alone talked and others were made to listen. It was ensured in advance that the monologue was not disturbed by arguments from the other side. Convinced that it had the monopoly of Absolute Truth which others had to accept from it in all humility, it saw no need for holding any dialogue with any kind of paganism.


But times have changed. The collapse of Christianity in the West and the retreat of Western imperialism have forced the Church to change its methods. Buyers of its stale and discredited merchandise are becoming increasingly scarce. Gone are the days when the Church spoke and others had to listen. It can no longer use the might of the state (once described as secular arm of the church) to crush the adversaries. So, now the church is not just prepared to enter into a dialogue with heathens, it is actually organizing it.


But the Church is uncomfortable with the new environment. It knows, from its experience in the West, what reason and open inquiry can do to its dogma. At the same time, the closed and arrogant mindset, fashioned by centuries of dominance, has not changed. Short-term tactics have changed, but the long-term goal remains unaltered. There is a change in the language, but not in the ideology. These show a striking continuity over the centuries.  

For instance, annals of the mission record one instance of a public debate in sixteenth century Goa, when Jesuits, aided by a convert, deputed with pundits. After a while, forty pundits were banished from the debate for ‘proving obstinate.’ No more dialogues were held in Portuguese possessions thereafter.


Writing four hundred years later, Richard Fox Young, who records this incident in his Resistant Hinduism (Vienna, 1981, pp. 20-21), concludes that Hindu tolerance towards other religions is a myth because Hinduism resisted Christianity instead of accommodating it! The author sees nothing wrong with the wanton Christian onslaught of which he himself provides prolific proof.


In our own day, the ex-communication is practiced in a more sophisticated way. Fr. Francis Xavier Clooney, professor at Harvard Divinity School, says that in the past Swami Dayanand Saraswati and Swami Vivekanand had attempted a critical look at the West from a Hindu perspective, but post-colonial authors like Ram Swarup and Sita Ram Goel had politicized the Hindu-Christian relationship. In other words, even the adversaries of the Church need a character certificate from it before their contributions are recognized. And the grant of that certificate depends on the degree of accommodation shown by the Hindu scholar to Christianity, especially to conversions.


Fr. Clooney would have been within his rights as well as bounds of a healthy dialogue if he had pointed out where these authors had misquoted a source, or quoted it out of context, and how the context altered the apparent meaning, or used logic which was not straight, or passed a value judgment which was not valid. But that is not on his agenda. The Church has no use for authentic scholars like Ram Swarup ji or Sita Ram ji precisely because their critique is too comprehensive, too accurate and too fundamental for its comfort.


As to the closed mind, one example would suffice. Ziegenbalg, who worked in south India, travelled around and held conversations with Brahmins. He recorded these conversations in some detail and passed them on to Halle (Germany) which published them from 1715 onwards. Only thirty-four of these conversations were translated and published in English in 1719. The preface to the book “Thirty-Four Conferences Between the Danish Missionaries and Malabarian Brahmans (or Heathen Priests) in the East Indies” (London, 1719), sums up the Brahmana’s “Divine Law sent from Heaven” in the following eight Precepts:


“I. Thou shalt not kill any living creature whatsoever it be, having life in the same: For thou art a creature of mine and so is it: Thou art endued with soul and it is endued with the same.  Thou shalt not therefore spill the blood of anything that is mine.


II. Thou shalt make a covenant with all thy five senses.  First, with thy eyes, that they behold not things that be evil. Secondly, with thy ears, that they hear not things that be evil. Thirdly, with thy tongue, that it speaks not things that be evil. Fourthly, with thy palate, that it takes nothing that be evil; as wine, or the flesh of living creatures. Fifthly, with thy hands, that they touch not things defiled.  


III. Thou shalt duly observe the times of devotion, thy washings, worshippings and prayers to the Lord thy God, with a pure and upright heart.


IV. Thou shalt not tell false tales, or utter things untrue, by which thou mightest defraud thy brother in dealings, bargains or contracts; by this consenage to work thy own peculiar advantage.


V. Thou shalt be charitable to the poor and administer to his need, meat, drink, and money, as his necessity requires, and thine own ability enableth thee to give.


VI. Thou shalt not oppress, injure or do violence to the poor, using thy power unjustly to the ruin and overthrow of thy brother.


VII. Thou shalt celebrate certain festivals; yet not pampering thy body with excess of anything; but shalt observe certain seasons for fasting, and break off some hours by watching, that thou may’st be fitter for devotion and holiness.


VIII. Thou shalt not steal from thy brother anything, however little it be, of things committed to thy trust in thy profession or calling; but content thyself with that which he shall give thee as thine hire; considering that thou hath not right to that which another man calleth his.”


Yet, according to the same Preface “there is not, perhaps, a more wicked race of men treading upon God’s earth (than the Brahmanas).” “The Brahmanas”, it continues, “are the greatest impostors in the world; their talent lies in inventing new fables every day, and making them pass for incomprehensible mysteries among the vulgar.” Brahimins of today would readily underscore the above summary of the precepts of their faith. Does the Church today have any different opinion of those who disagree with its dogma and resist its incursions?  


“The purpose of this correspondence (of the letters referred to above),” writes Dr. H. Grafe, “as stated by Ziegenbalg, is three-fold:

1. To make for increased publicity of the missionaries’ work,

2. To reach people whom they are not able to meet personally,

3. To get better informed about Hinduism and particularly about Hindu objections to Christian Faith.” (‘Hindu Apologetics at the Beginning of the Protestant Mission Era in India’, by H. Grafe in Indian Church History Review, June, 1972, p. 48.)


Is the purpose any different today? Like a multinational corporation marketing a dubious product, what the Church craves above all is attention tampered with indulgence. Hindu scholars and Sanyasins are making a big mistake if they harbour the illusion that they are educating the Church in principles of Sanatan Dharma. The Church has no use for those principles. It wants Hindu intellectuals and Sanyasis for their brand value (such as it is) within the Hindu society - to market its own product. Their erudition, their carefully constructed caveats, provisos and arguments will be lost upon ordinary Hindus who will only remember that these worthies have something to do with what the Church is saying.


By participating in high-profile well-publicised dialogues with spokesmen of Christianity, modern day Hindu scholars and Sanyasins may be making the same mistake that Gandhi ji did. As Sita Ram Goel observes, “Mahatma Gandhi’s meeting the Christian missionaries again and again and wasting so much breath in talking to them on the same point, namely, the uniqueness of Jesus and their right to convert in his name, made them respectable in the eyes of Hindus at large. Till the Mahatma started advertising the Christian missionaries in his widely read weeklies, Hindus had looked down upon them as an unavoidable nuisance deserving only contempt and ridicule. The Mahatma invested them with unprecedented prestige and made them loom large on the Indian scene.”  


In any case, the Church has studied Hinduism and Hindu society in far greater detail than Hindu scholars have studied Christianity. Missionaries have studied Hindu scriptures not as Mumukshus, but like army generals mapping out the enemy territory before attacking it.       


Hindus are committing a great mistake in regarding the encounter between Hinduism and Christianity as a dialogue between two traditions of Dharma. Christianity has never been a Dharma; it has always been a predatory imperialism par excellence. The encounter, therefore, should be viewed as a battle between two totally opposed and mutually exclusive ways of thought and behaviour.


“But can we not sort out differences in perceptions, attitudes and approaches through an amicable dialogue? What is the harm in talking?” one may ask. The harm is that the dialogue is intended to be a distraction from the merciless and incessant attacks of the Church on the roots of Hindu Dharma. The whole purpose of the interfaith dialogue is to wear down Hindu resistance to conversions, first among the elite and then, hopefully, among the laity.


As Sita Ram ji points out, Hindus from seventeenth century Pandits of Tamil Nadu (who conversed with Ziegenbalg) to Arun Shourie have expended tremendous amounts of ink and breath to demolish the dogma of Christianity. But it has hardly made any difference to the arrogance of Christian theologians and missionaries. That is because dogma was never meant for discussion. It is meant for propagation, by any and every means permitted by times and circumstances.


The Church knows more than any Hindu that its dogma cannot stand any discussion. It is an axiom of logic that that which cannot be proved need not be disproved. And who can ever prove that the nondescript Jew (if at all he existed) who was crucified by a Roman governor of Judea in 33 AD had atoned for the sins of mankind for all time to come? Who can ever prove that those who accept that Jew as the only Saviour will ascend to a heaven of everlasting bliss and those who do not will burn for ever in the blazing fire of hell?


Glorified by high-sounding theological bunkum, the dogma is no more than a subterfuge for forging and wielding an organizational weapon for aggression against other people. It is high time for Hindus to dismiss the dogma of Christianity with the contempt it deserves, and pay attention to the Christian missionary apparatus planted in their midst. The sole aim of this apparatus is to ruin Hindu society and culture, and take over the Hindu homeland.


The Church inviting Hindus for an interfaith dialogue while going ahead with converting weaker sections of Hindu society through force, fraud and allurements, is like a pickpocket preaching virtues of renunciation to a man while relieving him of his purse. Hindu scholars and Sanyasins must make stoppage of conversions by Church in theory and practice as a pre-condition to their participation in any interfaith dialogue. They should not fall prey to the sweet language that is designed to deceive them and other Hindus. For, Ko va durjanvagurasu patitah kshemeñ yatah puman? (Who has ever escaped unscathed after falling in the trap of words of a wicked man?)



Acknowledgment

History of Hindu-Christian Encounters Ad 304 to 1996 by Sita Ram Goel, Voice of India, New Delhi, 1996

 

The author is Executive Editor, Corporate India, and lives in Mumbai

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Virendraji Parekh's article only goes to show that even a mild-mannered writer like him can be so incensed with religious conversion and the predatory cult of Jesus that his writing on the issue is tyransformed into a weapon. This time our focus should be not on the predator but on the betrayors among Hindus who give the predators physical and intellectual space to operate.
Radha Rajan
January 27, 2012
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Yes the Mir Jaffars and Jaichands are all among us only. History of India shows that every fort is taken by deceit from fifth column.
Sethia
January 27, 2012
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\\\\\\\\\\That is because dogma was never meant for discussion.\\\\\\\\\yes, the Hindu diaspora either do not at all indulge in any talk with the so called holy sea aka holy gutter. If at all any thing need be talked, it is to call the Abrahamic spade a spade and nothing need be talked about Hinduism.
krishnakumar
January 27, 2012
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Why don't the rich (many are super rich) among the Hindus do enough for the destitute of Bharat so that the Christian Missionaries will not be able to lure them with gifts like by-cycles, shanties etc.?
Krish
January 27, 2012
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Of what - use is this "Inter faith Dialogue" - ?

THIS SUMS IT ALL

“But can we not sort out differences in perceptions, attitudes and approaches through an amicable dialogue? What is the harm in talking?” one may ask. The harm is that the dialogue is intended to be a distraction from the merciless and incessant attacks of the Church on the roots of Hindu Dharma. The whole purpose of the interfaith dialogue is to wear down Hindu resistance to conversions, first among the elite and then, hopefully, among the laity.
R V Anand
January 27, 2012
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Nicely written Virendra Ji. Simple & Yet utterly convincing. Thanks & Regds.
Pratap Mohanty
January 27, 2012
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The author has very well summarised the Christian problem that Hindus are facing but I wish he had suggested ways for us to tackle this evil cult and its peddlers. Smt Radha is cent per cent right that we need to tackle not only the predators but also Hindu betrayers. Alas, instead of 'tackling' betrayers, Hindus have foolishly placed some of them in exalted positions and even venerate them. Unmasking the betrayers is therefore an urgent task. Also, since most Hindu betrayers are cowards at heart, they can be easily tackled by subtle and not-so-subtle hints that they will get physically hurt if they continue to betray Hindu society. Threat of violence often works better than violence.
Indira Oorath
January 27, 2012
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Excellent article by author. Some issues must be exposed again and again. Religious conversion, jihad, interfaith dialogue and Hindus incompetence to tackle any of them also needs to be exposed. Good work Vijayvaani.
S Rajkumar
January 27, 2012
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This is very well stated.Compliments.Are Christian missionaries ready to stop conversions? They are not.if they are not, what is the big idea of getting in to any kind of " dialogue" with them?
don't we tell violent terrorists that we will not talk to them unless they give up arms and their violent ways?Here , absence of violence is a precondition.
Similarly we need to tell very clearly that we can discuss ,enter in to dialogues only when this precondition [ of stoping the conversions] is fully met.Here the absence of conversions is a pre condition.
Jitendra Desai
January 28, 2012
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Let’s see the real population of Hindus as per 2011
India – 67% Hindus
Kerala – 37% Hindus
If you go for a census you will not find this figure because most of the lower caste people who converted did not change religion officially for getting the benefits from government.
Christian Missionaries are doing wide conversion through hooks and crooks. Dr.Gopalakrishnan and a few others are doing a great work in spreading our heritage and culture.
x
January 29, 2012
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So we are drastically reduced from 85% to 67%, and lost 18% in a period of 60 years after independance. In another 100 years, we will be reduced to 30% and become minority religion in our own land and will be begging for our basic rights from Christians & Muslims. India’s socio-political system is under foolishness.
ravi
January 29, 2012
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Hindus are the new Jews of the world. Perhaps they are waiting for a holocaust to become like Israel. Well, the Hindu holocaust is not far away — max 25 years.
shankar
January 29, 2012
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Mere words about the Hindhu community at large is not going to change ground situation, for Hindhuism has stopped appealing to a large section of the society because those with filled-stomachs did not bother to care for their brethren who were starving.

Need of the hour is come up with some organization at the national level that collects funds from each individual who cares for sustaining the thousands of years of Sanaathana Dharmam. Such a trust can even seek for tax exemptions and lure the industrial heavyweights to donate large sums and utilize those funds to serve the poor and needy where government is failing., but with out any preconditions on what religion they follow or choose; however as an institution it can run temples and with in its premises hold religious practices which must in no way be tied to the financial aid that be provided to those folks.

Only with huge money and muscle (political) power can this daemon of conversions be fought. If RSS or VHP or any other national level Hindhu organization is sincere in its philosophy of saving the Hindhu Dharmam, then I would challenge them to start such a trust as soon as possible with out wasting any words blaming the christian dogmas.

It is not just sufficient doing it but it needs to well publicised for it to reach its target audience, both the donors as well as the receivers.

I would envision such an organization to be helping the citizens of India (need not be Hindhus) to benefit from the existing government policies, helping aspirant youth to realize their ambitions by issuing loans ( no guarantee when those will be recovered, all based on trust; we need to improve the ethics at the ground level) , facilitating and even providing financial assistance for medical treatments for the poor, etc.

I'm just talking about it for now because I have not yet completed my family responsibilities; but I would request some folks who have been successful in their lives and reached a stage where they can dedicate their future life for the nation to take up this cause for the greater common good of our beloved Bhaaratha Maatha.

Regards,
Samba
Samba Kolusu
January 30, 2012
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shankar,what do you mean by 25 years,what are you foreseeing that the others are not?
observer
January 30, 2012
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Editor
January 30, 2012
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