Pakistan Implodes: The Serpent Eggs are hatched, and London’s Snakes are out
by Ramtanu Maitra on 22 Oct 2010 32 Comments

Pakistan is now firmly caught in a vortex of violence. There is no indication whatsoever that the Pakistani authorities have either the capability, or the intent, to get to the root cause of this catastrophic development, to put a stop to the growing violence. What is evident, however, is that Pakistan is becoming increasingly unstable, with large parts virtually ungovernable. If this trend continues, not just India and Afghanistan, but the surrounding region will soon be subjected to the disastrous effects of this instability.

 

There are many reasons why Pakistan’s instability has reached this state, but most important is Islamabad’s unwillingness to get out of the colonial mindset learned from the British rulers, and move quickly to integrate the nation. In Pakistan, ethnic and provincial identities have been kept intact, if not sharpened during the 60-plus years of its existence; Islamabad has kept vast areas, the bulk of its geographical territory, underdeveloped and virtually untouched. Behind Islamabad’s policy is the old British imperial strategy of maintaining ethnic and sub-ethnic identities, thereby facilitating the rule of a few over the rest.

 

It appears now that the serpent’s eggs have hatched, and London’s snakes are spilling all over Pakistan to poison the land. Despite these visible developments, Pakistan’s powers-that-be, the Punjabi-dominated military, and the weak democratic forces, have long since opted for a policy of blaming others and doing nothing. It is “Hamlet-like” paralysis, where those who have to act have convinced themselves that no action is the best action. The result of this paralysis has become obvious for all to see.

 

As with the recent floods in Pakistan, caused by unusually heavy monsoon rains over a very short period of time, and where the authorities had adopted the self-consoling illusion that such a catastrophe would never occur, in the same way they believe the violence taking place in Pakistan today is “just the way things are.”

 

The presence of US and NATO troops in Afghanistan has further facilitated the process of disintegration, and it has now reached a point where even the departure of foreign troops from Afghanistan may not bring down the level of violence inside Pakistan. Terrorists, organized by Islamabad in the 1980s and 1990s to “bleed India” in the disputed state of Jammu & Kashmir, have not only consolidated their foothold within Pakistan, but have formed strong ties with foreign instigators, such as Britain and Saudi Arabia.

 

Endless Violence

 

On Sept. 30, a NATO airship crossed into Pakistan’s airspace in the Upper Kurram region near its western borders with Afghanistan and killed three Pakistani soldiers. In protest, Pakistan stopped the huge line of supplies that snakes its way daily from the southern port of Karachi through the legendary Khyber Pass, into the Bagram Air Base near Kabul. As a result, this now stationary convoy of trucks has come under attack from “insurgents.”

 

At the time of this writing, at least 150 oil tankers have been burnt up. A number of the tankers were snaking their way to the open southern route that enters Afghanistan through the Pakistani border town of Chaman. It is unlikely that anyone, besides a few insiders, would know how much of this supply is taken off by the insurgents on a routine basis. Neither the Americans who depend heavily on keeping the supply line to feed the war in Afghanistan, nor the Pakistanis who collect a goodly sum for keeping the supply line “undisturbed,” are inclined to divulge this inside information.

 

While the “Taliban” and other “insurgents” have been accused of this misdeed, it is anyone’s guess who did the burning and looting. The fact remains that this long convoy, which brings in 70% of the supplies needed by the 150,000 US and NATO troops stationed in Afghanistan, is contracted out to the Pakistanis and Afghans. It is impossible to evaluate how many of these “contractors” are working for the insurgents. It is likely that the supply line has been allowed to function throughout the nine years since 2001, when Afghanistan was invaded by the Americans, because many of these “contractors” were paying a “due share” to the insurgents, strengthening their firepower against the US and NATO troops.

 

Pakistan’s (or Britain’s?) Frontiers

 

The area through which the huge convoy brings in supplies for the US and NATO troops passes through the troubled western frontier areas of Pakistan/Afghanistan, known as the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA), Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa (KP) province, and Balochistan. While all three areas are in turmoil, the FATA is now a hotbed of Wahhabi-influenced jihadi movements and old tribal rivalries.

 

It is divided into seven districts, called agencies: Bajaur, Mohmand, Khyber, Orakzai, Kurram, North Waziristan, and South Waziristan. FATA is thinly populated (3 million, in contrast to the total of 170 million in Pakistan) and has a very rough terrain. The FATA and Afghanistan are separated by the non-demarcated Durand Line, literally, a “line in the sand,” drawn arbitrarily by the British Raj in 1893, but never accepted by Kabul.

 

The Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa (formerly the North West Frontier Province, NWFP), along with Balochistan, was brought under British control in 1880, after the second Afghan War (1878-80), when parts of its territory was wrested from Afghanistan, bringing the British-controlled territories within 50 miles of Kabul. The administrative system that prevails today in FATA is almost identical to that which originated under the British Raj. The FATA is officially under the directive of the Pakistani President, who has empowered the governor of neighbouring Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa as his representative. The governor, in turn, appoints an “agent” for each agency of the FATA.

 

These agents are senior administrators in their regions, and are governed by rules established by a British Act of Parliament in 1901. This set of rules is called the Frontier Crimes Regulation (FCR). The FCR was enforced by the British Raj in the Pushtun-inhabited tribal areas in Northwest British India, as it was called then. The laws were devised especially to counter the fierce opposition of the Pushtuns to British rule; their main objective was to protect the interests of the British Empire. Although, formally, that British Empire is history, Islamabad has done its very best to keep its laws intact in the FATA.

 

As a result of keeping the FATA undeveloped, as if the British Empire still ruled there, the FATA, during the nine years of war in Afghanistan, went “under the de facto joint control of al-Qaeda and Taliban militants, except for the tribal agency of South Waziristan, which was recently retaken from the Mahsud Taliban network by the Pakistani army,” to quote Farhat Taj of the Jamestown Foundation. The concentration of terrorists within the FATA was helped by the Pakistani military’s ground action in South Waziristan and some other tribal agencies, and the increasingly bloody drone attacks by the US and NATO.

 

Islamabad’s involvement in these drone attacks, although often denied by Pakistani authorities and condemned as a violation of its sovereignty, is now clear. There are many reports that the drone strikes on the FATA are carried out from air bases within Pakistan. US officials say the strikes are carried out under an informal agreement with Islamabad that allows Pakistani leaders to criticize them in public, but Pakistan denies the existence of any such agreement. This denial of reality, which is allowing the killing of many innocent Pakistanis by foreigners, has hardened the belief of many in the tribal area that Islamabad does not really consider them to be citizens.

 

Living in Fear in Balochistan

 

But it is not only the FATA: All areas west of the River Indus are in flames, not only because of the Pakistani support lent to the needless war in Afghanistan, and its direct violent impact on people living in the border areas, but also the historic neglect of these people.

 

Take the case of Balochistan: Inhabited mostly by Baloch tribes and some Pushtuns, it has been in flames for years. During the Cold War, Islamabad blamed the Soviet Union for supporting Baloch communists seeking separation. Now, Pakistan blames India for fanning the flames in Balochistan. Since these accusations cannot be verified, nor can New Delhi’s denials be wholly accepted as truth, the fact remains that Balochistan has been treated by Islamabad since its inception as a colonial part of Islamabad’s newly acquired “empire.”

 

It is shocking to note that on at least two occasions, under two different rulers in Islamabad, Balochistan was subjected to air strikes. In fact, Baloch dissidence has always been met with guns by Islamabad. In 1954, Islamabad merged the four provinces of West Pakistan - Balochistan, NWFP, Punjab, and Sindh - into “One Unit.” One Unit was formed without adequate dialogue and as a result, an anti-One Unit movement emerged in Balochistan. To overcome this opposition, the Pakistani Army was deployed and the Khan of Kalat arrested, but not before Baloch oppositionists to the One Unit had engaged the Pakistani Army in pitched battles.

 

In 1973, following his visit to Iran, then-Pakistani President Zulfikar Ali Bhutto dismissed the elected provincial government of Balochistan. The pretext was that a cache of 350 Soviet submachine guns and 100,000 rounds of ammunition had supposedly been discovered in the Iraqi attaché’s house, and were destined for Balochistan, according to Ray Fulcher in his Nov. 30, 2006 article, “Balochistan’s History of Insurgency.”

 

The ensuing protest against the dismissal of the duly elected government brought in another wave of the Pakistani Army - 78,000 men, to be precise - supported by Iranian Cobra helicopters. The troops were resisted by some 50,000 Baloch. The conflict took the lives of 3,300 Pakistani troops, 5,300 Baloch, and thousands of civilians. That 1973 invasion created deep divisions between the Baloch people and Islamabad, and made the Baloch vulnerable to London’s machinations.

 

However, Islamabad’s British colonial-like policy towards Balochistan did not end in 1973. As the Baloch internal security situation deteriorated following the 2001 US invasion of Afghanistan, Islamabad, under President Pervez Musharraf, became uneasy. Between December 2005 and June 2006, more than 900 Baloch were killed, about 140,000 were displaced, 450 political activists (mainly from the Baloch National Party) disappeared, and 4,000 activists were arrested, some reports indicate.

 

Killers in Karachi

 

The convoy that brings supplies to the foreign soldiers in Afghanistan starts its daily journey, from Karachi in Sindh province, which, like India’s Mumbai, is Pakistan’s principal port and main commercial center. And, yet, Islamabad has allowed it to be taken over, not by the local mafia, a phenomenon that keeps Mumbai highly vulnerable, but by groups of killers who were earlier organized by Islamabad for “political” reasons.

 

The “political” reasons emerged in the late 1970s, when Gen. Zia ul-Haq, the Pakistani military dictator and darling of Washington in its campaign to deliver a defeat to the Soviet Army in the 1980s, having hanged the Sindhi political leader of the mass-based Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) in 1979, set about to capture control of Karachi. He created a goon squad, co-opted the opponents of the PPP in Karachi, the Mohajir Qaum Movement (MQM, now known as Muttahida Qaum Movement), armed them, and pitched them against the PPP.

 

Later, when the Soviets moved into Afghanistan and the Washington-London-Islamabad-organized freedom fighters (mujahideen) took up opium production to “balance their budgets,” hundreds of thousands of Pushtuns moved into Karachi. Drug and crime became their trademark, right under the nose of Islamabad. If they were not encouraged, they were not taken down either. Islamabad saw the benefit of keeping the city divided, in the same way that the British found “strategic” advantage in keeping people divided in order to facilitate their rule.

 

Now that billions of dollars worth of goods are moving from Karachi to the Khyber Pass and the Chaman entry point, these killer squads have become very active. There is money in it - a lot of it. As a result, Karachi is fast becoming an inferno. Political personnel, drug-runners, gun-runners - many of these nefarious characters wearing garb of Islamic jihadis - are making hay. It is not difficult to find British paw prints all over the place. For instance, the leader of the Zia-created MQM is now leading the party from London, as a British subject, ostensibly under the protection of the British SIS.

 

Karachi is now also the center of targetted assassination. By early August, the city had the distinction of claiming 300 target assassination victims. By now, the number could be as high as 400. But, that is not taking into consideration the so-called religious killings. This city has more than 14 million people of various Islamic beliefs, and routinely, the Saudi-controlled and Islamabad-tolerated Wahhabis (Sunni extremists) are blowing up Sufi and Shi’a mosques.

 

A case in point is the tragedy that occurred on Oct. 7, when suicide bombings at the Abdullah Shah Ghazi shrine killed at least eight people and wounded 65 others at the crowded site. The attack happened at the busiest time of the week, when thousands of people typically visit the site to pray, distribute food to the poor, and toss rose petals on the grave of the saint. The first explosion took place as the suspected bomber was going through a metal detector leading up to the shrine, according to Babar Khattak, senior police official in Sindh province. The Oct. 7 explosions echoed a twin suicide bombing at a well-known Sufi shrine in the eastern city of Lahore, that left 40 people dead earlier this year.

 

What followed is typical of many such incidents in Karachi before. The attack was blamed on Wahhabi goons, and the people took to the street in protest to burn down whatever they could lay their hands on. Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari blamed the attacks on “those who want to impose an extremist mindset and lifestyle upon our country,” but said the government would not be deterred.

 

What is the problem that Pakistan faces today? It could be summed up in two statements issued recently from London by former military dictator Gen. Pervez Musharraf, who has been in self-imposed exile there since 2008. London, of course, controls most, if not all, of the violence that occurs in Pakistan. Musharraf, in an interview with Der Spiegel on Oct. 6, said that militant groups “were indeed formed. The government turned a blind eye because they wanted India to discuss Kashmir.” The next day, he described his political detractors as “cowards,” and added, “I would say, failure of governance is the greatest threat today.”

 

What Musharraf seems to forget is that he, himself, did next to nothing during his nine years in power, to integrate the economically deprived and underdeveloped provinces with Punjab, the powerhouse of Pakistan. Nor did he do anything to curb the violence caused by decades of continuation of British policies of divide and rule.

 

The author is South Asian Analyst at Executive Intelligence Review News Services Inc.

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I think that the writer made a small error while suggesting the title of the article.The title should have been something like this..............."India prays that Pakistan Implodes: The Serpent Eggs are hatched,and Dehli's Snakes are out"..................................,some of you might question "What does he means by that?"The answer is very simple....The so called "vortex of violence" did'nt just happened on its own,this is how it has been conducted so far.Its an open secret that the BLA is the creation of Indian intelligence agencies, which are trying to create instability in the areas bordering Iran and Afghanistan, Brahmdagh is one of the most prominent faces of the ongoing Baloch insurgency sponsored by Delhi. Mr. Bugti is the grandson of Baloch politician Akbar Khan Bugti, a former chief minister and governor of Balochistan, who was killed during a military operation on August 26, 2006.While another of Nawab Bugti’s grandsons, Mir Aali Bugti, has been nominated as the sardar of the Bugti tribe, Brahmdagh has reportedly taken command of separatist Baloch fighters.Bharat has been making a big hullabaloo about Mumbai, and doesn’t want to talk about the RAW sponsored LTTE attack on the Lankans in Lahore. The Delhi establishment tries to score points about terror in Bharat, but forgets to mention that Delhi armed, trained and supported the Mukti Bahni in East Pakistan, and then tried to rule Bangladesh with the Rakhi Bahni (run by a serving Indian general). Mr. Singh shouts about Pakistan from the rooftops, admits the Delhi involvement in Balauchistan, but then reneges on the admission and doesn’t stop the RAW support to the terrorists in Baluchistan. The Marines from Multiple One (India company) based at Lashkargah, a forward operation base, has been undertaking missions in Balochistan by supporting the Baluchistan Liberation Army (BLA). Their main targets include Chinese working in the province, particularly at Gwadar, Saindak, and Hub.RAW operatives have established many training camps inside Afghanistan to aggravate the activities of Baloch nationalists with an objective of transforming it into a full bloom insurgency.
Afghanistan has a long and tumultuous history of outside powers using its rugged terrain as a chessboard for the ‘Great Game’. This ‘Great Game’ has been revisited in Afghanistan and one of the chasing players this time is India. In recent years, Indian increased diplomatic presence and enhanced economic assistance to Afghanistan has not only threatened the security of Pakistan but also played an effective role in jeopardising the Pak-Afghan cooperation to contain the flow of insurgency in Afghanistan. India is good times friend of Afghanistan. She welcomed the communist Saur Revolution in Kabul in 1978 and sided with former Soviet Union and is equally responsible for the destruction of Afghanistan. Indian influence which started trailing in 1979 was entirely lost in Afghanistan in 1992 and during Taliban rule. The fall of Taliban regime and the return of Northern Alliance as a dominant partner in present government in Afghanistan provided India another opportunity to regain the lost influence in the country. Since then she is trying to dominate Afghanistan. In her bid to get a firm and lasting foothold in post-Taliban era, she is leaving no stone unturned to perpetuate her presence there. Here the point to ponder is: why Indians are so desperate to have cordial relations with Afghanistan?It goes without saying that India has no legitimate role in Afghanistan but the dream to confront Pakistan. She is making all-out efforts, to prevent Pakistan from having influence in Afghanistan, by aggravating anti­Pakistan sentiments among Afghan people. Apparently, Indian intention could be economic gains but real objective remains destabilising Pakistan.Indian diplomatic missions in Afghanistan have a role in fomenting trouble in Pakistan’s tribal areas. Indian consulates in Jalalabad, Kandahar, Herat and Mazar-e-Sharif and their embassy in Kabul are indulged in clandestine activities inside Pakistan in general and FATA and Balochistan in particular. The intelligence network in Afghanistan which is established by India is fully operational.
India’s trained terrorists intrude into Pakistan’s territory and commit serious acts of terrorism such as mass killings, bombings, torture, and intimidation of civilians. This is proved by the reports when Indian national namely Rohit Vashisht was captured by the Afghan police on 3 September 2007 in district Zarai of Kandahar province for financing Taliban militants in the region. Rohit revealed that he had been financing Taliban to convince them to carry out suicide attacks against Pakistan and NATO forces.He further divulged that he was successful to a great extent in convincing Taliban to locate and identify their real enemy (Pakistan) responsible for the mess in the region. Rohit carried maps of Pakistani cities including Peshawar, Rawalpindi, and Islamabad. Police also recovered names of various Taliban leaders and their addresses with whom he possibly met or contacted during his present stay or his probable previous visit to the area in the past.Another incident of this kind happened when an Indian doctor working as member of a medical team in Jalalabad was caught red­handed for instigating patients to work for India. These Indian nationals were repatriated quietly to India due to the considerable influence from senior officials of the Indian Embassy including the ambassador..............to be continued.
observer
October 22, 2010
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It is very easy to point fingure at others,but the writer forgot this fact that when you point one fingure at others then there are three fingures pointing back to wards you,now isn't that interesting/ironic!So let us talk about those three fingures,what are they pointing or telling us?They are pointing out those Balkanizing Cracks in “India”,the Naxalite insurrection shows severe cavities in India. Why is the writer silent about the rebellion in 100 districts of India?–this constitutes about 40% of the country. The swathe of land from Nepal all the way down to Andhara Pradesh is in rebel control. The seven sisters in the Norheast are almost totally out of control of the center which does not seriously challenge the writ of the local leaders.
India is like a millstone on South Asia,it has kept all of South Asia in poverty. Now it is beset with humongous problems–the harvest of sowing seeds of destruction in her neighbors. When the tide rises all boats float up,when the tide sinks all boats go down. India is a dead weight on South Asia. In the process all of South Asia is doomed to another century of penury and poverty.The writer pointed out the state of Government in Pakistan as "the rule of a few over the rest",my question to her Is the “land of the Ganges” the epitome of democracy, or is it a Plutocratic Kleptocracy imposed to keep the power away from the Muslims, Sikhs, Dalits and Maoists. If it is a democracy it should adhere to the “popular principles” of adult franchise internally and externally.“India has failed her population and kept South Asia in penury. China has, Malaysia has provided her citizens with a decent standard of living. Pakistanis will work out their problems. Don’t worry and don’t pontificate. The best development in Asia was NOT achieved by India, but by China, Taiwan, Korea, Singapore and Malaysia…go figure! A discussion on reasons why external powers imposed leaders on small countries is well known.It is pedantic to read Ayesha Jalal (Indian author who wrote a scathing criticism on Jinnah)“Democracy and authoritarianism in South Asia.” Perhaps it is the uneducated, illiterate, teeming millions in India that have been making stupid decision that have kept India as one of the poorest countries in the world.Monkey say , monkey do! The term “democracy” never appears in the US constitution, and Jefferson, Madison, Hamilton wrote reams against it. America was created as a republic NOT a democracy and the electoral college was to prevent the masses from electing a monkey or a failed pilot or a foreigner. American democracy was for the few (white males, those who owned land etc).
“Democracy” was popularized during WW2 as a pretext to wage war on Japan. “Democracy” was only for the white male in the colonial era, not for the Native Americans, or the blacks of South Africa….and even today remains the white man’s burden. Neither Rome nor Greece was based on adult universal franchise. Read Socrates thesis against democracy (which he calls mobocracy), and his support for dictatorship in Athens led to the Peloponnesian wars and the end of Athens..Don’t be too enamored with the Kiplingish “white mans burden” jargon that brings nothing to the people of India.India’s faltering $41 Billion IT economy cannot salvage the lot of the poor. While a triumphalist media discusses the “growth of the Indian middle class”, the reality of India’s penury stricken population is very different. The higher the number the worse off the country. India ranks below Cambodia and Burkino Faso in terms of hunger. It is slightly better off that Haiti, Zimbabwe and Bangladesh. Pakistan fares much better .Cuba has taken care of its population and eliminated malnutrition, hunger and child mortality. It has done more with less and is the example that needs to be followed. Cuba produces more doctors for less and offers free medical education to citizens of the world.
I can give you so many more examples ,but the point here is not to make India look bad, but just to demonstrate that before we point fingures at others we must first look where we are standing and not to take joy at other's despair.With best regards.
observer
October 22, 2010
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First Observer should advise his cohorts to treat at least Shias, Ahmadias, Kurds and other sub-sects humanely who are their co-relioginists before opening his stinking mouth
dhumaketu
October 22, 2010
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The war fueled by NATO is gradualy moving East. Unless South Asian governments rebel against the NATO involvement and unite against this evil force the destruiction of South Asia is inevitable. Evil force must be expelled from Asia.
jan
October 22, 2010
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Observer's brain works too fast to stay on one topic for even a few sentences.
His comments about India's role in Afghanistan have a grain of truth, but India is only helping Afghanistan as a friend to get its economy going. Pakistan cannot manage even its own economy, but dreams of having a dominant role in Afghanistan.But it's role as a trouble-maker has been very effective in Kashmir but not successful again.
Bangladesh was the result of West Pakistan's brutal butchering of East Pakistani's. India could not have stood by and watch that genocide, particularly when the most popular leader there earnestly requested India to help save the lives of millions there.
Pakistan's recent history has been so bloody that a US President described it as a rogue state.And remember US is the most trustworthy donor of arms and money to Pakistan.
Krish
October 22, 2010
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Observer, comes across as a reasonable guy when you start reading his comments, but soon you will realize that he is a Paki national doing the Randi Rona to get some brownie points and curry sympathy from Indians. He tries to sugar coat the 1971 Western Pakistani aggression on East Pakistan and the popular Mujibur Rehman government and make it look as if India started the whole thing. It was the Paki's who have this itch every now and then to attack India directly (1965, 1971,Kargil etc) OR indirectly through well planned,government sponsored terrorist acts in India (Mumbai I and Mumbai II, Delhi, Bengaluru etc) and try to act coy like a new married girl. The result as every body knows is that Paki's end up with a broken jaw every time they try to do this. It is better for the Paki's to stop blaming others for their ills and know what their limitations are and try to fix those, instead of becoming a paid concubine of one super power after another. As Hamid Gul rightly said, Paki's have become the "International Condom" for the powerful nations, use and throw. So wake up Paki's and do something about your nation before it disintegrates.
Kaffir
October 22, 2010
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Observer,

BTW, who is going around with a begging bowl to raise money to survive...Paki's

Who is demanding equal treatment from US on par with India and getting kicked in the rear..Paki's

Who is trying to encroach on Afghanistan in the name of "Strategic depth" and failing...Paki's

Who is having to kill their own country men on the behest of their white masters for a few dollars...Paki's

Who is seeing a Hellfires missiles rained by Drones in their country and cannot even complain about it..Paki's

Who if they next dole out does not come from Washington will go under and become a bankrupt state..Paki's

Who gets cavity searched when they arrive at any international airport..Pakis

Do you want me to continue or is this enough...

As I keep saying the future of Paki's is decided by 'America,Army and Allah' in that order ..
kaffir
October 22, 2010
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observer, i think you need to learn your history first before lecturing to others. the arab invasion was crushed and beaten back by the pratiharas (who reduced the half-converted ruling class in sindh to tribute). it was hundreds of years before the islamic world was in a position to attack india again, and even then, it was through the turks not the defeated arabs. ghori lost the first battle of tarain (and had to be carried off the field) and only won the second not due to "superior technology" but because he broke the peace treaty he forged with prithviraj the night before and launched a surprise attack on the camp at dawn. in essence, deception--precisely what pakistanis continue to do to themselves and the rest of the world. only the truth shall set you free...

bharat was the light of the world when the arabs were mere proxies for the persians and byzantines. from steel to the compass (matsya yantra) to siegecraft it is actually we who were technologically advanced and were great long before your culture even existed (and your thousand years is a bit off since it's really 1192-early/mid 1700s as the Marathas from then on effectively ruled Delhi. additionally, even that only refers to the indo gangetic plains--at least the area around delhi-- and not the rest of the country). so please, do not come here and disseminate nonsense when you are not even acquainted with basic facts.
Nagabhatta I
October 22, 2010
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...my, my, my. a little bit of satya and our "observer" blows a vessel. take it easy yaar, you have all day to fill the pages with bile. since facts and history are clearly not your domain, you resort to the specialty of the "international migraine": the diatribe.

but calm down, yaar. we know how humiliated you were when you lost bangladesh after committing genocide. we know how it enrages you that the insurgency in kashmir was crushed--that is why geelani must now use women and boys as human shields. and we know how it torments you that Balochistan and Sindh are about to break free. due to your desperation, everyone knows you want to bring india down. but newsflash, india is the stabilizing anchor that everyone looks towards to bring balance in asia. no rant of yours here or mehmood qureshi's over there can change that. and guess what, you're the one with the begging bowl to the west and china--don't make us laugh. and your rant about billionaires is only more risible when one considers the 300 million + middle class that India has--more than your entire joke of a country has in people. so please, save some face and turn tail while you still can.

indians are aware of all how much more india has to do. that is why there are movies like peepli live to talk about these issues. that is why there are ngo's that do community service and that look for ways to alleviate poverty by investing in small businesses. but guess what, it's not just IT--it's biotech, it's pharma, it's healthcare, it's BPO, it's telecom, it's education (the K in IIT-K doesn't stand for karachi) and even manufacturing (chennai is fast becoming the detroit of asia). what do you have?

even bangladesh has shown more progress than your mess of a country with recent secular reforms under sheikh hasina and Yunus' world famous Grameen bank. Pakistan is only famous for one industry and it starts with a T (hint: it's not telecom). I would say spare us the lectures, but your irritating hindrance is now becoming an amusing display--much like pakistan...so if you insist on embarrassing yourself, by all means, continue.
Nagabhatta I
October 23, 2010
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and there were are folks. our previously "reasonable" and "well intentioned" observer has demonstrated that it is not principle or fact that drives his messaging, but unremitting and irrational hate (the pakistan educational system has fulfilled its purpose). and that is the core problem with pakistanis. a people so consumed by their own hatred, bigotry and despair that they seek to even debase reasoned discussion down to bodily functions and animal extracts. btw, yaar, considering google reported how your beloved pakistan was globally #1 in all sorts of searches not fit to be mentioned here (and curiously involving some of the animals you mentioned above)--you should probably double check just how pak your land of the pure really is.

so just to summarize for our audience here, your posts have very quickly regressed as follows
1. politely packaged lies
2. rudely packaged lies
3. when the lies have been demolished, desperate lashing out at a country that isn't even mentioned in the same breath as your lowly polity

and finally

4. open bigotry and undisguised jealousy for the country, people, and civilization that will live on long after that monstrosity you call pakistan has been consigned to the dustbin of history where it belongs.

but please, yaar. it's not often we get such entertainment on a forum that deals with serious issues. we always enjoy the antics of a good cross-border court jester and know you can do a great job. so by all means, proceed with the show...
Nagabhatta I
October 23, 2010
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Looks like my posts are hitting the nails smack on the head,that is why i see a lot of worms out in the open squirming and squiggling,this means the truth is reaching the dark places where it was not reaching before,thanks for your feedback .With best regards.
observer
October 23, 2010
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arey yaar, leaving so soon? we were just getting ready for the main event. no more lies to peddle? crushed that your agenda of bigotry has been exposed and debunked? time to slither away to make a face saving exit? ok then. we'll be ready when you are all rested up and ready to spew hate again. ta ta ( i would say Tata, but that would just remind you of one more achievement that pakistan could never accomplish).
Nagabhatta I
October 23, 2010
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NOW IT IS HIGH TIME TO STAGE PROTEST BEFORE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA FOR BACKING PAKISTAN.
SM Dave
October 23, 2010
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Observer why don't you recommend Pakistan joining India. Then we don't need any buffer, we shall be so strong that nobody will dare invade us, Iran is in any case a friendly nation.But China definitely needs to be watched carefully.
And give up the habit of seeing only the negative picture. There are even people in this world who drink their own urine for medicinal purposes. But why should I mind it?
Krish
October 23, 2010
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Observer!!! There is only one cure for your mental illness; The Gau Mootra of which you are so fascinated. But do read more about it ; it is not without its properties
ashok
October 23, 2010
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Some time comples probems have simple solutions. Pakistan is hub of terrorists ,Just divide pakistan to five states sind,punjab ,baluchistan,pathan and others hindu crischians and world problem is solved.Russia is divided and today no one afraid of russia .Divide after pakistan china and problems of the world will just vanish.
sahani
October 23, 2010
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Krish,how about if we just do that what you proposed (i.e., uniting Pakistan and India as one),then how about if we make Islambad the capitol of this new united country,how about if we name it Great Pakistan........would you agree to it????
Of course not,its a blasphemy,chee chee chee,how could one say that.See, this is the problem with the Indian psyche,they have not come to terms with the notion of a independent muslim country next to their borders,from the day of gaining the independence from British,the Indians are trying there best to over turn that.If you talk to an of the street common Pakistani and talk about this topic you will never find a shred of evidence if the Pakistanis have not excepted India as to be a ligit country,on the other hand if you talk to an Indian ,any Indian the hatered would just start oozing out like a sore wound.Like i said before and will say it again that Mr.Jinnah read the Hindu mind really well,he tried his best to keep India united but all his efforts went in vain,then once he decided to have a seperate home land for muslims, he then never rested even when Gandhi begged and pleaded to him because he knew whats comming to muslims and the other minorities of the united India once the British left.With best regards.
observer
October 23, 2010
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krish, this is the problem with trying to reach out to someone like observer. He pretends that he is all for peace and harmony, but in reality he must perpetuate antagonism in order to maintain the rationale for pakistan's existence. But since he, just like pakistan, cannot accept being the bad guy, he pretends that it is india and indians who create the hatred. in doing so, he completely ignores the fact that pakistan has avowedly started all the wars with india, and it's own hindu population has dropped from 25% at partition to less than 1% now (btw, only 10% made across the border of the 25%...). In contrast, the indian muslim population has only increased (from 10% to over 13%). He cannot, therefore, process that India is, by it's nature, a pluralist society with a secular legal framework (that is why he wants a capital city named for one religion instead of a city with a history for all religions like Delhi). One only has to ask the ahmadis, balwaris, balochis, and displaced kashmiris within pok what pakistan is all about. That is what is most hilarious about observer. He raises a hue and cry about the rights of kashmiris (ignoring the existence of shia, hindu, buddhist, and sikh ethnic kashmiris who want to remain in india), but his own monstrosity of Pakistan crushes kashmiri dissent, violates their rights, massacres their people, and settles punjabi colonists from the military on kashmiri land. In contrast, India doesn't permit non-kashmiris from owning land in kashmir. India and Indians don't even care about pakistan and are more than happy to live and let live. But pakistanis know in that arrangement india can just concentrate on development. that is why they plan mumbais to try and bring india down to their level. there's no point in debating someone who's the product of the pakistani educational system. Pervez Hoodbhoy wrote a paper on how filled with isi-jihadi garbage pakistani history is--clearly they've succeeded with observer. So just enjoy the show my friend and watch him rant and rave about animal extracts...
Nagabhatta I
October 24, 2010
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krish, this is the problem with trying to reach out to someone like observer. He pretends that he is all for peace and harmony, but in reality he must perpetuate antagonism in order to maintain the rationale for pakistan's existence. But since he, just like pakistan, cannot accept being the bad guy, he pretends that it is india and indians who create the hatred. in doing so, he completely ignores the fact that pakistan has avowedly started all the wars with india, and it's own hindu population has dropped from 25% at partition to less than 1% now (btw, only 10% made across the border of the 25%...). In contrast, the indian muslim population has only increased (from 10% to over 13%). He cannot, therefore, process that India is, by it's nature, a pluralist society with a secular legal framework (that is why he wants a capital city named for one religion instead of a city with a history for all religions like Delhi). One only has to ask the ahmadis, balwaris, balochis, and displaced kashmiris within pok what pakistan is all about. That is what is most hilarious about observer. He raises a hue and cry about the rights of kashmiris (ignoring the existence of shia, hindu, buddhist, and sikh ethnic kashmiris who want to remain in india), but his own monstrosity of Pakistan crushes kashmiri dissent, violates their rights, massacres their people, and settles punjabi colonists from the military on kashmiri land. In contrast, India doesn't permit non-kashmiris from owning land in kashmir. India and Indians don't even care about pakistan and are more than happy to live and let live. But pakistanis know in that arrangement india can just concentrate on development. that is why they plan mumbais to try and bring india down to their level. there's no point in debating someone who's the product of the pakistani educational system. Pervez Hoodbhoy wrote a paper on how filled with isi-jihadi garbage pakistani history is--clearly they've succeeded with observer. So just enjoy the show my friend and watch him rant and rave about animal extracts...
Nagabhatta I
October 24, 2010
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>>> because he knew whats comming to muslims and the other minorities of the united India once the British left. <<< observer, Muslims-majority Pakistan and Bangladesh have gone out of their way to eradicate Hindus in numbers and faith whereas Hindu-majority India has not done this to Muslims not even in retaliation.
satya
October 24, 2010
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Now we have two jokers in the pack. On with your show clowns,it is gloomy outside and it looks like the Indo-Aussie match will be abandoned in Goa. We are getting bored. Please keep us amused.
Rama
October 24, 2010
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This is bad news for India ! Go back to 1970.We helped create Bangladesh, so that few lakh refugees could be sent back.In 2010, we have few crores of them in Assam, Bengal, Bihar and elsewhere. If Pakistan is destablised, we will have millions of Pakistani refugees in Punjab, Rajasthan and Gujarat. Those who stay back will destabilise India, like what they are doing in Karachi. Karachi was once home to wealthy Gujarati and Sindhi businessmen. It must have been like this from the times of Harappa! Mr Lal Krishna Advani is from Karachi. Post partition, Karachi has been taken over by migrants from India [ including Dowd and his henchmen], Pushtuns, Balochs and everyone else with a criminal record.Karachi could implode anytime. India in the coming decades will have to work to create an independent Sindh and an independent Balochistan. Pakistan controlled Punjab and Kashmir will have to be merged with India. FATA will have to be merged with friendly Afghanistan. Once this is accomplished, India should create a common security framework for entire region, comprising of armies from Afghansitan, Balochistan, Sindh, Nepal, India, Bhutan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka. Appears a pipe dream? Wait for people in Pakistan and elswwhere to get adequately sick of these Jihadi criminals, arrogant generals and ineffective politicians.Once they did, you could get a formal invitation to do what is stated above.Wait could be less than 30 years.
Jitendra
October 24, 2010
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Observer, your mind is so full of negativity and hate that you are blind to any reasonable argument. So I give up. No use trying to make you see reason.
But one thing I must say. There are more than 18 million Muslims in India, second to only Indonesia. And I dare-say they are happier living in India than in Pakistan (leaving aside less than a quarter million in Kashmir who also don't want to go with Pakistan, they want azadi, the meaning of which is not clear to even them).
So all facts on the ground are opposite to your theory of hate.
Actually you seem to be surprised and shocked why Hindus in India don't hate Muslims, you people in Pakistan desperately wish it, but God has not granted you your wish.
Krish
October 24, 2010
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Krish,of course i have different views then yours about the situation and that is why you feel that i think negatively for what in your mind is the correct view of the situation,now comming to your comment..... ""Actually you seem to be surprised and shocked why Hindus in India don't hate Muslims"".....,proves that you are totally oblivious to the comments posted on Vijayvaani alone (not considering the other web sites) by the Hindu readers,just go on to the archive section and take a look,there you will find numerous eye opening remarks about Muslims in general and Pakistan in paticular by so many Hindu readers.Comming to your other comment that ....."" And I dare-say they are happier living in India than in Pakistan"""......i would ask you to explain it to me for example, why it is so difficult for a regular Indian Muslims (i know few personally) to just to get just an apartment for rent in one of the biggest,"secular",modern city of Mumbai.Even one the famous Bollywood actress Shabana Azmi is on record saying that even she faced this discremination (of being a Muslim) in getting some accomodation in the expensive Hindu part of the city..........any comments?Krish, once again the problem is that the Indians are living in a make believe world where every body is chanting "ALL IS WELL.ALL IS WELL" ,and they wish it will happen on its own...... do you think the same way too???
observer
October 25, 2010
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See krish, that's the difference. Observer's grievance for muslims in india is that some vegetarian apt complexes have allegedly not allowed shabana azmi, et al to become residents in their apartments.

In contrast, hindus in pakistan aren't even allowed to live with any dignity or security. That is why hindu females are repeatedly kidnapped and forcibly converted and why hindus and sikhs must pay jiziya increasingly in parts of Pakistan. It is why mohajirs are being liquidated every day in karachi and why kashmiris and balwaris in pok are being massacred and dispossessed of their lands. but apparently, it's pakistan who is not living in a make believe world...
Nagabhatta I
October 25, 2010
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Observer, why don't you ask Shabana or your other Muslim friend in India whether they will like to migrate to Pakistan?
My Brahmin neighbor is always complaining about the non-veg. cooking in the flat above his flat; he does not like the smell of it. If he could help it he will like his upper floor neighbor to shift somewhere else.
But a Jain Housing Society will not allow even a non-veg Brahmin to rent a flat in that gated society. That does not prove anything at all.
So you will not be happy to know that "ALL IS REALLY WELL" in India.
Krish
October 25, 2010
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Krish,yeah i agree with you on this point on not liking the smell of certain foods cooked by different cultures, that makes a total sense to me,but just to deny some one on that basis is not exceptable and on top of that to tell them to leave is adding insult to the injury on the same token.This tells me about the general mind set of an average Indian now a days.Thanks for proving my point.With best regards.
observer
October 25, 2010
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See krish, that is the level of delusion in our friend's land of the pure. he is completely incapable of self reflection, and hence, thinks his point was proven. were that not the case, he would have remembered the hindus forced to convert in order to work at an eatery in sialkot:

http://tinyurl.com/3yh8x4n

but clearly jain residential societies are the greater of the two evils...
Nagabhatta I
October 26, 2010
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My patient, a Pakistani from Karachi told me about his past life in Pakistan 10years ago. He said he was brainwashed from his young age to hate India,and Indians and to consider them as enemies who need to be destroyed.This message was bombarded into his brain at school, TV shows and everywhere in general. After graduation, he migrated to Saudi Arabia where he met and became friends with a lot of Indians. He then realized that the scale of FALSE propaganda an average Pakistani was subjected to against India. He then cursed himself for falling victim to this vile propaganda.He confessed that he has more Indian friends in Saudi than Pakistanis. His father desperately wants to go back to his ancestrol village in MP.
I am the Indian doctor whom this Pakistani family trust. I have a very happy cordial relationship with him and his family for the past decade.
Bottomline for Mr Observer: Your brain has been washed, dried and ironed out by the Jihadi's propaganda. It is not too late.You can still redeem yourself. Go and meet some average Indians. Get rid of the all the hatred from your brain. OPEN YOUR EYES TO THE REALITY.Your country is doomed.Your country is going to implode sooner or later and Hindus and India have nothing to do with that..A country without history and artificially created , which has so much of hatred against humanity can only implode,especially Jihad and terrorisim are it's main export.
Rama
October 26, 2010
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Dr.Rama ,i have my fare share of meeting "average" Indians while i was visting India,the Sardars (Sikhs) were the ones which i found to have less bias then the "other average" Indians.
By reading the comments of most of the "average" Indians (non-Sikhs) on this forum one can very well make a picture of what the rest would be like.I think its you who have his eyes WIDE shut for not acknoledging the reality of what is happening in Pakistan and Kashmir as for who is responsible for all that meyhem that is going on in that part of the world.Relax nothing is going to happen to Pakistan (Inshallah),no implosion (that is the favorite word seems like it) is going to happen there as a matter of fact try to take a peek in your own back yard and see what different type of weeds are growing there.With best regards.
observer
October 27, 2010
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India – A Failed State?
The Failed State: India most at risk

This year, Bharat (aka India) has achieved the ignominious and unenviable distinction of being the state most at risk of failure. In many ways, Bharat has failed already, as the government lacks control of large tracks of the country. The loose coalition of various parties has led a corrupt and incompetent cabal of politicians that controls capital. Large tracks of Bharati territory are not in control of the Federal government. The government is not in control of the Naxalites, Kashmir, Assam and the states known as “The Seven Sisters“. The government troops have been routed and cannot control various states. The fighting has produced a clear victor–and it is not the Indian government. The country’s caste ethnic, and religious chaos continues unabated in the unruly states, while militants stalk the jungles and remote areas. The fighting has successfully produced is a refugee nightmare, with thousands homeless in Gujarat.
Khan Sahib
October 27, 2010
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Vah vah, what a show yaaron. "indians have their eyes wide shut", "india a failed state?" all from the pakistani propaganda machine that has failed to realize that its country is falling apart at the seams and its own people in western taxis have been calling themselves "Indian" when asked their nationality due to shame for the land of the "pure". I think we know which state has truly failed. Come back when your amusing "nation" actually has a vision for its imploding polity beyond fundamentalism and extremism. take one look at the index and know who the real failed state is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Failed_States_Index
(In case you can't read charts, #10 is Pakistan--in good company with Afghanistan and Somalia. Kudos!)
Nagabhatta I
October 27, 2010
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